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    So, how exactly is that religion thing working out for you?

    Texas schools board rewrites US history with lessons promoting God and guns

    US Christian conservatives drop references to slave trade and sideline Thomas Jefferson who backed church-state separation

    Cynthia Dunbar does not have a high regard for her local schools. She has called them unconstitutional, tyrannical and tools of perversion. The conservative Texas lawyer has even likened sending children to her state's schools to "throwing them in to the enemy's flames". Her hostility runs so deep that she educated her own offspring at home and at private Christian establishments.

    Now Dunbar is on the brink of fulfilling a promise to change all that, or at least point Texas schools toward salvation. She is one of a clutch of Christian evangelists and social conservatives who have grasped control of the state's education board. This week they are expected to force through a new curriculum that is likely to shift what millions of American schoolchildren far beyond Texas learn about their history.

    The board is to vote on a sweeping purge of alleged liberal bias in Texas school textbooks in favour of what Dunbar says really matters: a belief in America as a nation chosen by God as a beacon to the world, and free enterprise as the cornerstone of liberty and democracy.

    "We are fighting for our children's education and our nation's future," Dunbar said. "In Texas we have certain statutory obligations to promote patriotism and to promote the free enterprise system. There seems to have been a move away from a patriotic ideology. There seems to be a denial that this was a nation founded under God. We had to go back and make some corrections."

    Those corrections have prompted a blizzard of accusations of rewriting history and indoctrinating children by promoting rightwing views on religion, economics and guns while diminishing the science of evolution, the civil rights movement and the horrors of slavery.

    Several changes include sidelining Thomas Jefferson, who favoured separation of church and state, while introducing a new focus on the "significant contributions" of pro-slavery Confederate leaders during the civil war.

    The new curriculum asserts that "the right to keep and bear arms" is an important element of a democratic society. Study of Sir Isaac Newton is dropped in favour of examining scientific advances through military technology.

    There is also a suggestion that the anti-communist witch-hunt by Senator Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s may have been justified.

    The education board has dropped references to the slave trade in favour of calling it the more innocuous "Atlantic triangular trade", and recasts the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as driven by Islamic fundamentalism.

    "There is a battle for the soul of education," said Mavis Knight, a liberal member of the Texas education board. "They're trying to indoctrinate with American exceptionalism, the Christian founding of this country, the free enterprise system. There are strands where the free enterprise system fits appropriately but they have stretched the concept of the free enterprise system back to medieval times. The president of the Texas historical association could not find any documentation to support the stretching of the free enterprise system to ancient times but it made no difference."

    The curriculum has alarmed liberals across the country in part because Texas buys millions of text books every year, giving it considerable sway over what publishers print. By some estimates, all but a handful of American states rely on text books written to meet the Texas curriculum. The California legislature is considering a bill that would bar them from being used in the state's schools.

    In the past four years, Christian conservatives have won almost half the seats on the Texas education board and can rely on other Republicans for support on most issues. They previously tried to require science teachers to address the "strengths and weaknesses" in the theory of evolution – a move critics regard as a back door to teaching creationism – but failed. They have had more success in tackling history and social studies.

    Dunbar backed amendments to the curriculum that portray the free enterprise system (there is no mention of capitalism, deemed to be a tainted word) as a cornerstone of liberty and argue that the government should have a minimal role in the economy.

    One amendment requires that students be taught that economic prosperity requires "minimal government intrusion and taxation".

    Underpinning the changes is a particular view of religion.

    Dunbar was elected to the state education board on the back of a campaign in which she argued for the teaching of creationism – euphemistically known as intelligent design – in science classes.

    Two years ago, she published a book, One Nation Under God, in which she argued that the United States was ultimately governed by the scriptures.

    "The only accurate method of ascertaining the intent of the founding fathers at the time of our government's inception comes from a biblical worldview," she wrote. "We as a nation were intended by God to be a light set on a hill to serve as a beacon of hope and Christian charity to a lost and dying world."

    On the education board, Dunbar backed changes that include teaching the role the "Jewish Ten Commandments" played in "political and legal ideas", and the study of the influence of Moses on the US constitution. Dunbar says these are important steps to overturning what she believes is the myth of a separation between church and state in the US.

    "There's been this amorphous changing of how we look at religion and how we define religion within American history. One concern I have is that the viewpoint of the founding fathers is very clear. They were not against the promotion of religion. I think it is important to present a historically accurate viewpoint to students," she said.

    On the face of it some of the changes are innocuous but critics say that closer scrutiny reveals a not-so-hidden agenda. History students are now to be required to study documents, such as the Mayflower Compact, which instil the idea of America being founded as a Christian fundamentalist nation.

    Knight and others do not question that religion was an important force in American history but they fear that it is being used as a Trojan horse by evangelists to insert religious indoctrination into the school curriculum. They point to the wording of amendments such as that requiring students to "describe how religion and virtue contributed to the growth of representative government in the American colonies".

    Among the advisers the board brought in to help rewrite the curriculum is David Barton, the leader of WallBuilders which seeks to promote religion in history. Barton has campaigned against the separation of church and state. He argues that income tax should be abolished because it contradicts the bible. Among his recommendations was that pupils should be taught that the declaration of independence establishes that the creator is at the heart of law, government and individual rights.

    Conservatives have been accused of an assault on the history of civil rights. One curriculum amendment describes the civil rights movement as creating "unrealistic expectations of equal outcomes" among minorities. Another seeks to place Martin Luther King and the violent Black Panther movement as opposite sides of the same coin.

    "We had a big discussion around that," said Knight, a former teacher. "It was an attempt to taint the civil rights movement. They did the same by almost equating George Wallace [the segregationist governor of Alabama in the mid-1960s] with the civil rights movement and the things Martin Luther King Jr was trying to accomplish, as if Wallace was standing up for white civil rights. That's how slick they are.

    "They're very smooth at excluding the contributions of minorities into the curriculum. It is as if they want to render minority groups totally invisible. I think it's racist. I really do."

    The blizzard of amendments has produced the occasional farce. Some figures have been sidelined because they are deemed to be socialist or un-American. One of them is a children's author, Bill Martin, who wrote a popular tale, Brown Bear, Brown Bear, What Do You See? Martin was purged from the curriculum when he was confused with an author with a similar name but a different book, Ethical Marxism.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...tes-us-history

    Besides the fact that the last paragraph just reeks of McCarthyism, how exactly is it that this education board is allowed to prescribe en détail how a school book has to represent facts (or even leave them out completely)?

    Over here in Germany, there's just a list of stuff that has to be in there and then it's up to the publishing companies to make school books out of that. Thus we have about eight major publishers (and several smaller ones) to choose from and every subject's teachers in a school form a small committee every two years or so and choose the book they like best for their subject at their own school.
    Which means that Math books can come from Schrödel, Physics books from Westermann, History books from Oldenbourg and so on and so forth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Besides the fact that the last paragraph just reeks of McCarthyism, how exactly is it that this education board is allowed to prescribe en détail how a school book has to represent facts (or even leave them out completely)?

    Over here in Germany,
    we throw people in jail for bringing up our past history.

    Yeah. Way to jump down Texan's throats for something Germans are actually worse about, though. I love a good laugh in the morning.
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    They're dropping the pretense that "social studies" in their schools are objective examinations of history and culture. Instead they are openly embracing these subjects as a means to shape the beliefs and ideology of the state's children. I personally believe doing that is fundamentally wrong, but I don't believe anything is new about the practice anywhere in the US other than the seemingly extreme political polarization they are embracing in this case.
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    I like that people here are assuming that there's an actual objective way to teach social studies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I like that people here are assuming that there's an actual objective way to teach social studies.
    That's pretty much what I was thinking. But there's more objective ways... Texas has been screwy with text books a long time but they seem to be pushing the boundry here....
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    That's pretty much what I was thinking. But there's more objective ways... Texas has been screwy with text books a long time but they seem to be pushing the boundry here....
    The only thing you can say is that this book will have a different bias from mainstream ones. All the social studies curricula is chosen for political reasons, just not necessarily on the "liberal"-"conservative" divide. The main disadvantage of this version of revisionism is that these kids will be at a disadvantage if they ever move out of Texas or go to a university. Then again, that assumes they remember anything they learn anyway (a big assumption).
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    That's pretty much what I was thinking. But there's more objective ways... Texas has been screwy with text books a long time but they seem to be pushing the boundry here....
    Well, to be fair, California's at least as screwy (and from the other ideological side), so... meh. Basically, HS textbook publishers decide what gets published based on two states - TX and CA - so them both being on opposite ends of the crazy political spectrum might amount to something approaching "balance" for the rest of us. Well, probably not, but... whatever. Public schools have far bigger problems than this.

    Personally, I think this is a good example of why I think sending your children to public school is a form of child abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    we throw people in jail for bringing up our past history.

    Yeah. Way to jump down Texan's throats for something Germans are actually worse about, though. I love a good laugh in the morning.
    Erm.... What?
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    (Prison time for owning certain images and books, or expressing certain views pertaining to the recent history of Germany, post-WWI...)
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

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    Where you been Khen? We covered Texas going full retard back in March.

    Loki even went with the same bullshit "big assumption" line in this thread that he got called out for in the first thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    (Prison time for owning certain images and books, or expressing certain views pertaining to the recent history of Germany, post-WWI...)
    (3) Mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu fünf Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe wird bestraft, wer eine unter der Herrschaft des Nationalsozialismus begangene Handlung der in § 6 Abs. 1 des Völkerstrafgesetzbuches bezeichneten Art in einer Weise, die geeignet ist, den öffentlichen Frieden zu stören, öffentlich oder in einer Versammlung billigt, leugnet oder verharmlost.

    (4) Mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe wird bestraft, wer öffentlich oder in einer Versammlung den öffentlichen Frieden in einer die Würde der Opfer verletzenden Weise dadurch stört, dass er die nationalsozialistische Gewalt- und Willkürherrschaft billigt, verherrlicht oder rechtfertigt. (…)
    I couldn't follow the twist where denying the 3. Reich and the holocaust is "bringing up the past". And what do you mean by owning certain books. Do you speak about 'Kein Mampf'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    we throw people in jail for bringing up our past history.

    Yeah. Way to jump down Texan's throats for something Germans are actually worse about, though. I love a good laugh in the morning.
    Can you actually point towards German revisionism? I don't think so. You're once again conflating two issues. But that's nothing new.

    Fun fact: Holocaust deniers are revisionists. Thus you actually just planted your foot in your mouth in a pretty big way.

    While we're at it: How exactly would you abolish this law which was enacted by the Allied? And, more importantly, would you expect to be able to keep your job or actually being able to walk in the public without being called a Nazi by citizens and foreigners alike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Well, to be fair, California's at least as screwy (and from the other ideological side), so... meh. Basically, HS textbook publishers decide what gets published based on two states - TX and CA - so them both being on opposite ends of the crazy political spectrum might amount to something approaching "balance" for the rest of us. Well, probably not, but... whatever. Public schools have far bigger problems than this.

    Personally, I think this is a good example of why I think sending your children to public school is a form of child abuse.
    Now you're an expert on California?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Well, to be fair, California's at least as screwy (and from the other ideological side), so... meh. Basically, HS textbook publishers decide what gets published based on two states - TX and CA - so them both being on opposite ends of the crazy political spectrum might amount to something approaching "balance" for the rest of us. Well, probably not, but... whatever. Public schools have far bigger problems than this.

    Personally, I think this is a good example of why I think sending your children to public school is a form of child abuse.
    To be fair, the liberalism I'm experienced with actually values an attempt at objectivity in teaching history. It seems that Texas is embracing the idea of sacrificing objectivity to push a partisan political education agenda. I'm not familiar with California cooking the text books to push a liberal agenda, but I don't pay attention to the right wing media outlets either, not that they would be truthful on the subject...
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    California fires back

    Legislation by Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, seeks to protect the nation's largest public school population from the revised social studies curriculum approved in March by the Texas Board of Education. Critics say if the changes are incorporated into textbooks, they will be historically inaccurate and dismissive of the contributions of minorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    So, how exactly is that religion thing working out for you?


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...tes-us-history

    Besides the fact that the last paragraph just reeks of McCarthyism, how exactly is it that this education board is allowed to prescribe en détail how a school book has to represent facts (or even leave them out completely)?
    They don't. What we have is many more publishers. And that includes smaller publishers and start-ups who will solicit feedback before initiating a full print run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    To be fair, the liberalism I'm experienced with actually values an attempt at objectivity in teaching history. It seems that Texas is embracing the idea of sacrificing objectivity to push a partisan political education agenda.
    Are they sacrificing objectivity, in their perspective, or are they trying to restore and already lost objectivity? The article mentions that, at least on the surface, most of the revisions are more or less historically accurate. I can't allege to bias revealed by comprehensive scrutiny backed by keeping a broad perspective without seeing all the changes first hand, though I certainly don't trust journalists to get it right. Certainly most of the ones I saw mentioned in the article are more or less accurate. Even the McCarthy change, presumably drawing on research into Venona over the last decade, has a historical basis. It's not like our public school system does any sort of adequate job in teaching social studies right now, I've railed about that on our forums since Loki was back in high school.
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    How is "a belief in America as a nation chosen by God as a beacon to the world" more or less historically accurate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    How is "a belief in America as a nation chosen by God as a beacon to the world" more or less historically accurate?
    Is that something being directly inserted into the textbooks, or is it a characterization of an agenda of some of the people on the committee?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    How is "a belief in America as a nation chosen by God as a beacon to the world" more or less historically accurate?
    Heh heh.

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Are they sacrificing objectivity, in their perspective, or are they trying to restore and already lost objectivity? The article mentions that, at least on the surface, most of the revisions are more or less historically accurate. I can't allege to bias revealed by comprehensive scrutiny backed by keeping a broad perspective without seeing all the changes first hand, though I certainly don't trust journalists to get it right. Certainly most of the ones I saw mentioned in the article are more or less accurate. Even the McCarthy change, presumably drawing on research into Venona over the last decade, has a historical basis. It's not like our public school system does any sort of adequate job in teaching social studies right now, I've railed about that on our forums since Loki was back in high school.
    Are you actually suggesting to withold judgement until there's more information? What would we talk about?

    Another question: Do you by design take the moderate devil's advocate position, say, regardless necessarily of what you personally feel? You seem to get the lay of the momentum in a thread and seem to try to stick a control rod in to difuse the energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Is that something being directly inserted into the textbooks, or is it a characterization of an agenda of some of the people on the committee?
    Unsurprisingly, neither of these should be acceptable answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    Another question: Do you by design take the moderate devil's advocate position, say, regardless necessarily of what you personally feel? You seem to get the lay of the momentum in a thread and seem to try to stick a control rod in to difuse the energy.
    I have a tendency to be contrarian toward the dominant themes of whatever environment I'm in, yes. I'm mildly right here, I tended to be fairly right in college, I frequently argue more left at the place I volunteer, etc. It's that precision-minded nitpicker part of me. Conversation is rarely comprehensive, and I get concerned with pointing out the things which are being overlooked, glossed over, distorted, etc. What I personally feel is "this got said, but it doesn't take X into account. X really should be brought up, I'll mention it."

    On that note, it's worth pointing out that the curriculum committee can put up the textbook standards they choose, but they're not the ones doing the selecting OR the teaching.

    Oh, and Khend, to expand on my earlier comment on the powers of the committee vis a vis what's in textbooks. . . the committee doesn't choose textbooks. Textbooks are evaluated and selected at a lower level, by the individual school districts or even individual schools. As part of their evaluation of textbooks which are submitted to them by publishers, they consult checklists created by the state Board of Education. The standards announced by this committee are a guideline for publishers about the sort of thing which the state Board wants districts looking for. Which means the whole process is soft and squishy, so no one can be held accountable. Didn't someone post Richard Feynman's evaluation of his time on a local textbook selection committee, in California?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Unsurprisingly, neither of these should be acceptable answers.
    Ditto on your piracy. We live in an imperfect world. Regardless, whether their intentions are RightThink or not, what matters is whether the material is historically accurate or rather, since the present state of public education in the field is crap, no less accurate than at present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by earthJoker View Post
    I couldn't follow the twist where denying the 3. Reich and the holocaust is "bringing up the past". And what do you mean by owning certain books. Do you speak about 'Kein Mampf'?
    It's more the "owning a swastika" or "buying a Nazi flag" or discussing the importance of Mein Kampf (from both sides) being illegal in Germany that I was referring to.

    But sure, book bans (and book burnings, for that matter) are never good, even when the book(s) in question are vile and have no redeeming characteristics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Can you actually point towards German revisionism? I don't think so. You're once again conflating two issues. But that's nothing new.

    Fun fact: Holocaust deniers are revisionists. Thus you actually just planted your foot in your mouth in a pretty big way.
    Right, using legislation to whitewash the unpleasanter aspects of German history (under threat of jail time) is clearly not revisionist.

    Retard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    While we're at it: How exactly would you abolish this law which was enacted by the Allied? And, more importantly, would you expect to be able to keep your job or actually being able to walk in the public without being called a Nazi by citizens and foreigners alike?
    Say, isn't that kind of spineless mob-mentality what lead to you guys throwing Jews into ovens?

    Glad to see that kind of stupidity is still alive and well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    Now you're an expert on California?
    So, are you disputing my assertion that left-wing California wackos also impact HS textbooks as much or more than the right-wing Texan wackos... or are you just being a contrarian jerkoff? I don't particularly care either way, but it would be nice to know.

    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    To be fair, the liberalism I'm experienced with actually values an attempt at objectivity in teaching history. It seems that Texas is embracing the idea of sacrificing objectivity to push a partisan political education agenda. I'm not familiar with California cooking the text books to push a liberal agenda, but I don't pay attention to the right wing media outlets either, not that they would be truthful on the subject...
    That's kind of a ridiculous assertion, and undoubtedly related to your politics. You can't see the left-wing bias because you share it. But it's there, and it's (IMO) even more insidious than this right-wing bullshit because the leftie bias is so pervasive that it's implicit and largely ignored.

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Didn't someone post Richard Feynman's evaluation of his time on a local textbook selection committee, in California?
    I haven't seen that... if you've got it handy, I bet I'd find it interestingly painful.
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    CC Said: That's kind of a ridiculous assertion, and undoubtedly related to your politics. You can't see the left-wing bias because you share it. But it's there, and it's (IMO) even more insidious than this right-wing bullshit because the leftie bias is so pervasive that it's implicit and largely ignored.
    Can you give an example? (This is not about scoring points, I'm genuinely, if skepitcally, interested.)
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    African slavery comes to mind. Guess who started it and guess which groups were catching the slaves even at the height of the transatlantic slave trade. Or guess how well the economy operated after the New Deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    African slavery comes to mind. Guess who started it and guess which groups were catching the slaves even at the height of the transatlantic slave trade. Or guess how well the economy operated after the New Deal.
    Telling me to guess shit isn't an example Lokster. And iirc the slave trade inside Africa - the capture of slaves and bringing them to the coast for sale to Westerners - was perpetrated by Africans. Probably a tribal based thing. As far as the beginning of slavery, that's a little broad, don't you think? You mean black African slaves to North America? Or are you talking about the age old practice of enslaving our fellow man, which is almost certainly older than the written word....
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    Can you give an example? (This is not about scoring points, I'm genuinely, if skepitcally, interested.)
    Have you ever noticed how in all the conflict between companies and labor in the 19th and 20th centuries, labor was always unjustly set upon by the corporations and is never recorded in the history books as engaging in violence itself? Seriously, go pick up a US history text. It'll probably talk about police brutality, a Pinkerton shooting, etc, but there won't be any mention of actual violence by labor. Just words like "protest", "demonstration" "picket". . .

    Labor violence (and violent intimidation) was and is assumed to not have broader significance. Purely local events. Also harder to pin down with discrete events, agents, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    Can you give an example? (This is not about scoring points, I'm genuinely, if skepitcally, interested.)
    Aside from what Loki's said, the biggest (by far) example is the way government is portrayed in high school social studies and civics classrooms. As a force for good, a protector of the people - basically, your classic progressive [political] position. All the corruption and incompetence and outright abuse that comes about as a result of our big governments (and the War on [some] Drugs too, to be fair) is either not mentioned, or dismissed with a hand wave and a specious analogy to anarchy being like Somalia. "Progress" itself is framed [often] in terms of the size of government, with more government being equated to more progress and more "civilized" societies and so on.

    Now, you can think what you will of whether that's how it "ought" to be taught or not, but if we were taught school in the spirit of the founding fathers, that would be a nearly treasonous bias to present, and it is a strong "left-wing" bias, contrasted with conservatives and libertarians who do not view government that way (and, together, make up more than half of our country's population).

    And frankly, (just to be difficult), I'll also say that the way that early American history is taught is nothing short of [progressive] propaganda, completely ignoring what the founders said about the importance of several of our history's and constitution's more "inconvenient" bits to progressives (2nd amendment comes to mind immediately, as does the interstate commerce clause, letters of marquis, assorted taxation rebellions, John Brown, and so on).


    Oh, and before I forget, I'll also throw in The Myth of the Peaceful Savage as one of those liberal (self-loathing bullshit) biases, because that one always gets on my nerves, for some reason. Hell, just go read Lies My Teacher Told Me and come back and try to argue that social studies aren't ideologically whitewashed like crazy.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

  30. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    So, are you disputing my assertion that left-wing California wackos also impact HS textbooks as much or more than the right-wing Texan wackos...
    Yes I am.
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