Murica fuck yeah

[Aimless]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-attacker.html

Texas, of course.

[Lewkowski]

Sounds pretty awful - almost feel like we are missing some part of the story though. Was the woman threatened/scared by the attacker and afraid to testify? Don't get me wrong I think jail and gen pop is absolutely retarded but I have a hard time believing they randomly decide to put her in jail to ensure she testifies for no reason. To be clear I'm *not* endorsing them putting her in jail I'm just questioning if there are additional facts in this story not yet reported.

[Ominous Gamer]

It happens more often than people realize. A lot of rape and abuse cases fall apart because the victim can't/won't testify. Its technically contempt, and a few judges see only that and not the big picture.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...331-story.html

[Aimless]

I'm more disturbed by how the US deals with psychiatric illness.

[Hazir]

I would like to point out that the Daily Mail very often does this thing where they leave out information they think makes the story seem less outrageous. They are really not a good source of information.

[RandBlade]

Totally agreed, it's as bad as the Grauniad as a source.

[Loki]

It links to the original story: http://www.click2houston.com/news/ra...-witness-stand

[Lewkowski]

I'm more disturbed by how the US deals with psychiatric illness.

This is what happens when you try to classify everything as a mental illness. Alcohlism? Mental illness. Video game addiction? Mental illness. High sex drive? Mental illness. Get bored easily? Mental illness.

http://www.newsweek.com/nearly-1-5-a...ch-year-230608

Yes 1/5 people are crazy. When you bandy words about you make it harder to help cases of REAL mental illness because everyone assumes when you say mental illness you mean shit that effects over 20% of the population.

[Aimless]

Do you even know what the fuck bipolar disorder is? Have you even for a moment tried to think about what kind of an impact rape and strangulation may have on a person, esp one with psychiatric problems? Am I having this conversation with an educated human being in 2016 or a literal horse's ass communicating with us from the 18th century? I know that the latter should be impossible because we can't communicate with the past and equine derrieres can't type, yet the evidence to the contrary is strikingly persuasive at the moment.

[RandBlade]

This is what happens when you try to classify everything as a mental illness. Alcohlism? Mental illness. Video game addiction? Mental illness. High sex drive? Mental illness. Get bored easily? Mental illness.

http://www.newsweek.com/nearly-1-5-a...ch-year-230608

Yes 1/5 people are crazy. When you bandy words about you make it harder to help cases of REAL mental illness because everyone assumes when you say mental illness you mean shit that effects over 20% of the population.

Problem over here is that it is so easy to get a lazy doctor to sign you off as "depressed" or some other bullshit* in order to get off work.

* Depression is a real illness and chemical imbalance before anyone jumps down my throat, doesn't mean many people don't get signed off with depression who don't have any imbalance and aren't really depressed.

[Lewkowski]

Do you even know what the fuck bipolar disorder is? Have you even for a moment tried to think about what kind of an impact rape and strangulation may have on a person, esp one with psychiatric problems? Am I having this conversation with an educated human being in 2016 or a literal horse's ass communicating with us from the 18th century? I know that the latter should be impossible because we can't communicate with the past and equine derrieres can't type, yet the evidence to the contrary is strikingly persuasive at the moment.

Do you understand what I'm getting at? I'm not saying she was treated appropriately, I'm saying that the door opens up to treating *real* mental illness like this when we make EVERYTHING a mental illness.

[Aimless]

Which is a completely nonsensical as well as unfounded claim.

[RandBlade]

Yes it's only more than one in five, not one in one, that have a so-called mental illness.

[Lewkowski]

Which is a completely nonsensical as well as unfounded claim.

It is pretty logical when you think about it. We are at the a point that any non-normative behavior is considered a mental illness.

[Flixy]

It is pretty logical when you think about it. We are at the a point that any non-normative behavior is considered a mental illness.

Is it though? Apart from your gut telling you?

I won't disagree that we (as in our society) seems overzealous at branding everything as a disorder, but that's not the same as an illness (ADD etc. spring to mind). But when I had an actual psychological issue that caused (fairly big) problems for me at that time, I had to be referred by my GP, and then a whole intake at a psychologist that determined I had a fairly light disorder, so it doesn't seem that easy to get diagnosed with a serious mental illness. But yeah, I admit, that's purely anecdotal.

[Aimless]

It is pretty logical when you think about it. We are at the a point that any non-normative behavior is considered a mental illness.

Now we can add inaccurate or downright false to nonsensical.

[Lewkowski]

Now we can add inaccurate or downright false to nonsensical.

Wow someone is moody. I bet if you go to a GP you can get meds for your 'mental illness.'

[GGT]

I'm more disturbed by how the US deals with psychiatric illness.

Wow someone is moody. I bet if you go to a GP you can get meds for your 'mental illness.'

Aimless is right, though....the US does NOT deal with psychiatric illness very well. Not for victims of violence, not in our court system, and not even for military vets or police forces.

Some of that is because people like you, Lewk, think you can recognize illness/disease/disorder better than a physician can. And you perpetuate myths and stigmas, because that fits better in your ideology that will power and character can overcome just about everything.

[Aimless]

Wow someone is moody. I bet if you go to a GP you can get meds for your 'mental illness.'

Please, keep demonstrating your ignorance about this subject in addition to your poor grasp on "logic".

[RandBlade]

You can get antidepressants (mild ones) like candy here.

[Aimless]

Please provide a clear and reliable source so that we can a discussion about specifics.

[RandBlade]

I have lots of real life anecdotal evidence.

Funnily enough "I prescribed a mild antidepressant to someone who didn't need it" is rather hard to measure objectively.

[Aimless]

Okay how easy is it to get candy in the UK?

[RandBlade]

Very easy. Though you do know that's an expression don't you?

[Aimless]

okay so in quantitative terms how easy is it to get an inappropriate treatment for psychiatric problems in the UK and how is that related to the way your justice system treats people with psychiatric problems?

[RandBlade]

I believe it is very easy to get inappropriate treatment for psychiatric problems (and non-problems). I think the justice system tries to treat people with psychiatric problems well but can often fail them.

Part of the problem is a bit of a can-kicking taking the easy route mentality can develop. Treating problems properly is difficult, proscribing some pills is easy.

[Ominous Gamer]

I have lots of real life anecdotal evidence.

Funnily enough "I prescribed a mild antidepressant to someone who didn't need it" is rather hard to measure objectively.

Take a stab at it, we seem to be doing pretty good when it comes to measuring the over diagnosis of ADHD

[Flixy]

I believe it is very easy to get inappropriate treatment for psychiatric problems (and non-problems). I think the justice system tries to treat people with psychiatric problems well but can often fail them.

Part of the problem is a bit of a can-kicking taking the easy route mentality can develop. Treating problems properly is difficult, proscribing some pills is easy.

Well, when I had my problems my psychologist specifically did not want to give medication but therapy (as did I by the way). She said those are only for bad cases when therapy didn't work.

[RandBlade]

Are we? All evidence I've read (including on the NHS website) reports it as a very contentious issue.

Incidentally I view this quite differently than Lewk I think. Lewk seems to solely be arguing that issues are over diagnosed. I'd go further and say that we both over-diagnose those who are OK, but under-treat those who are seriously ill. Treatment is not very good for everyone who does need it. So we have two opposite extremes of people being given mild pills they probably don't need and people not getting treatment they desperately do​ need.

[RandBlade]

Well, when I had my problems my psychologist specifically did not want to give medication but therapy (as did I by the way). She said those are only for bad cases when therapy didn't work.

That's good! That's the way I think it should be. If only everyone was treated as well as you were.