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    Heard about this during lunch. Still haven't gotten enough information for me to process. Waiting to hear what Clinton says about this - I couldn't stick around to watch the press conference live.

    U S: Iran faction plotted to kill Saudi ambassador
    Saudi, Israeli embassies were also targeted, U.S. says; two men charged

    WASHINGTON — Two men allegedly working for "factions of the Iranian government" have been charged with plotting to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the U.S. and to attack the Saudi and Israeli embassies, Attorney General Eric Holder said Tuesday.

    The criminal complaint, unsealed Tuesday in federal court in New York City, identified the two as Manssor Arbabsiar and Gholam Shakuri.

    Holder said Arbabsiar, who was arrested on Sept. 29 in New York, was working for the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard and had confessed to a plot.

    Shakuri, who is based in Iran, remains at large, Holder said. He allegedly is a member of Iran's Quds Force, a special unit of the Revolutionary Guard.

    Both are originally from Iran and Arbabsiar, 56, is a naturalized U.S. citizen, the complaint said.

    Shortly after the announcement, the Treasury Department announced that U.S. citizens are barred from any financial dealings with the two suspects and three others, all Revolutionary Guard officials.

    Iran's English language Press TV quoted an Iranian official as countering that the charges are "a prefabricated scenario."

    The indictment is the result of a sting operation conducted by the FBI, Holder said.

    The case started when Arbabsiar, who lived in Texas, allegedly made contact with an undercover DEA informant in Mexico and asked for assistance from a major drug cartel to assassinate the ambassador, Adel al-Jubeir, at a restaurant that he frequented. Sources told NBC News that the group being recruited was the Zetas cartel.

    No assasination attempt was ever made, and no one was ever in any danger, officials said.

    "This case illustrates that we live in a world where borders and boundaries are increasingly irrelevant," said FBI Director Robert Mueller. "A world where individuals from one country sought to conspire with a drug trafficking cartel in another country to assassinate a foreign official on United States soil. And though it reads like the pages of a Hollywood script, the impact would have been very real and many lives would have been lost."

    A Justice Department statement said Arbabsiar claimed he was being directed by his cousin in Iran, described as a "big general" in the Iranian military and within the Quds Force.

    Arbabsiar allegedly wired $100,000 to the informant as a down payment on a $1.5 million assassination fee.

    Other sources told ABC News that he reportedly told the informant that Iran could provide "tons of opium" to the Zetas.

    Arbabsiar was to make a first court appearance later Tuesday. He faces a maximum sentence of life in prison if convicted.

    View complaint in alleged plot to kill Saudi ambassador (PDF)

    The Quds Force was designated a terrorist group by the United States in 2007, in part because of alleged support of the Taliban and other extremist groups.

    A senior U.S. official told NBC News that U.S. intelligence has a "high-degree" of confidence that the "Quds Force at the highest levels" was involved in the alleged plot and that this was not some "rogue operation."

    President Barack Obama was first briefed on the alleged plot in June, said White House spokesman Tommy Vietor."The disruption of this plot is a significant achievement by our intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and the president is enormously grateful for their exceptional work in this instance and countless others," Vietor said.
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    My prediction is that Iran will be clobbered after a decent enough interval has passed after the US pull out from Afghanistan.
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    The case started when Arbabsiar, who lived in Texas, allegedly made contact with an undercover DEA informant in Mexico and asked for assistance from a major drug cartel to assassinate [...]
    Our "War on [some] Drugs" just keeps getting better and better. Probably not the point you were interested in making, but I love how our second attempt at Prohibition has created criminal organizations so rich and powerful that special forces/intelligence organizations now seek out organized crime to help with trans-national assassinations. Yeah, Iran's not exactly Mossad or Delta Force, but still... drug cartels with more black-ops capabilities than actual state actors, fun fun.
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    This just seems almost too fantastical to believe. Would even the Zetas think they could get away with this in territory they aren't familiar with?

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    Did anyone say the Iranian spies were very smart? No, I don't think the cartels are stupid enough to declare war on the US government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Did anyone say the Iranian spies were very smart? No, I don't think the cartels are stupid enough to declare war on the US government.
    I think you have that a little backwards and wrong. It's the US that was stupid enough to declare war on the cartels, and the cartels responded with bounties on the heads of DEA agents. (That was a while back, though... I wonder if those bounties are still active.)

    So, given that the US and the cartels already are "at war" (and that the cartels are winning), I don't think that's why the cartels didn't accept the work... makes me curious as to whether they would, if the offer had come to them, instead of a DEA undercover agent.
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    That would cross a new threshold, leading to mass retaliation by the US. I don't think the cartels want to cross it.
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    If you say so. I somehow doubt that the US would be willing to launch hellfire missiles into Mexican cities based on some drug dealers killing a double-dealing Arab diplomat we don't much care for. Frankly, that's probably one of those things where we'd vocally condemn their actions, but actually be delighted to see the House of Saud and the Zeta cartel fight a bloody war of mutual annihilation.
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    Probably not very keen to have them do it in the middle of DC, though.
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    My kid said this sounded like a 24 Hours episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Probably not very keen to have them do it in the middle of DC, though.
    Granted, but an assassination isn't the same thing as a "war," nor would any "war" take place in the same location as the assassination that prompted it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    That would cross a new threshold, leading to mass retaliation by the US. I don't think the cartels want to cross it.
    Like the US government has been so successfull in those decades of war on drugs.

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    Really? 1.5 million for assasination of an ambassador on US soil? Anybody else think this is a little cheap its like whoever is writing the stories havent caught with inflation and is still operating based on the movies made in the 70s - 80s.

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    Cheap? Struck me as down right exorbitant, especially given how a professional would carry out a hit like this.

    It's not like the guy's going to have a security detail with him all the time on friendly soil, so you kill him at home and make it look like a home invasion gone wrong. Or hire a cut-out to do that for you, and then close the loop by taking out the trigger man. <shrug> Trade-craft 101, man. If you want someone dead, you can make someone, [practically] anyone, dead for five figures, tops. The 1.5 million was probably related to attacking embassies or framing someone else rather than for killing some nobody.
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    I kind of assumed that 1.5 million was just for the murder as if it includes atacks on embassies it becomes downright ridiculous. I mean you can not even buy a good appartment in a decent country for that money, well maybe a 3 room but you can forget about lakeview.

    Ambassador is not a nobody, at least over here ambassadors live on the terriotory of the Embassy and are protected by the same security force as guards the embassy itself. I realy dont see how you can make an atack on the ambassador look like a homeinvasion. You could atack other embassy personal who live outside the embassy territory, but an ambassador is not such an easy target.

    When they go outside the embassy it is mostly for formal ocassions and evn on private matters they would be accompanied at least by a driver who is also a trained bodyguard and in case of countries like Saudi Arabia i would not be surprised if security is heavier then that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodian View Post
    I kind of assumed that 1.5 million was just for the murder as if it includes atacks on embassies it becomes downright ridiculous. I mean you can not even buy a good appartment in a decent country for that money, well maybe a 3 room but you can forget about lakeview.
    Why? How much does a bunch of diesel and fertilizer cost over there? I think you're vastly over-estimating the sophistication and expense involved in making a big explosion. It's surprisingly easy and cheap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodian View Post
    Ambassador is not a nobody, at least over here ambassadors live on the terriotory of the Embassy and are protected by the same security force as guards the embassy itself. I realy dont see how you can make an atack on the ambassador look like a homeinvasion. You could atack other embassy personal who live outside the embassy territory, but an ambassador is not such an easy target.

    When they go outside the embassy it is mostly for formal ocassions and evn on private matters they would be accompanied at least by a driver who is also a trained bodyguard and in case of countries like Saudi Arabia i would not be surprised if security is heavier then that.
    You may be right about the ambassador living on embassy, but I don't think so - one of the perks of diplomatic assignments to certain countries (at least for Americans) is the ability to live in a desirable area if you so choose, and I'd frankly be rather surprised if the ambassador from a rich nation like Saudi Arabia doesn't have a private D.C. area "estate" to live on, paid for by his government.

    Even if not, one of the perks of living in an allegedly "free" country like the USA is that you have the right to, for example, spend many hours a day doing surveillance and prep work in the same area, such as right outside the Saudi embassy, without fear of being arrested and tortured. So even if, as you believe, the Saudi ambassador would only ever leave the embassy for formal functions, it wouldn't be too hard to set up a trap or kill zone at a nearby intersection (etc) and just wait. One driver/bodyguard isn't going to be able to stop any serious assassination attempt anyway, because by the time he realizes anything's going on, he's got two holes in his head and his principle is undefended. For 1.5 million I could probably set up a perimeter around a embassy and a kill zone at every crossing out of that perimeter, if I wanted to, and still have enough money left over to buy an Aston Martin or 2 for my efforts, which is why I'm thinking the 1.5 million would have to be for some serious extras... like a frame-up and/or a couple embassy bombings.

    <shrug>

    Like I said, it's not the movies - people, in real life, are very easy to kill and there's no training or gear in existence that can do much about that. And that's exactly why cops on big drug busts (even in this country) wear ski masks, and why special forces operators always have their faces blurred out in photos, use aliases and so on. Doesn't matter how elite you are, you can't be on full alert every second for the rest of your life, and a bullet to the head (etc) kills an elite operator just as dead as an uninitiated civilian - which is why not revealing one's true identity is still the best defense against retaliation.
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    He was apparently trying to get the ambassador killed at a restaraunt he frequented. 1.5 million seems reasonable, given that it's not too complex a job but would bring down a lot of heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Granted, but an assassination isn't the same thing as a "war," nor would any "war" take place in the same location as the assassination that prompted it.
    Like Wraith just said, part of the scheme was supposedly to blow him up in his favorite restaurant, taking numerous Americans with him.
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    Ah, well, that I did not know, and that certainly makes more sense.

    The 1.5 million isn't so much for killing the ambassador, but rather the dozens of other civilians and the massive retaliation such an act would invite. Makes 1.5 million seems like a deal too good to be true, then (heh, and whaddaya know, it was...) - no sane person or organization would declare war on the US military for such a small payday.
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    Good lord. Take a look at the comments.
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    What, you've never seen what happens when a newspaper has a mostly-open comments policy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Good lord. Take a look at the comments.
    Internet comments, the best argument against democracy ever. Especially on a newspaper site... a Washington D.C. paper's website. Oh yeah, all the people who made those comments, they vote. Probably active in politics and/or lobbying too.

    Hurray, democracy!!!
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