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  1. #331
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    Seems Putin just explained the who and why of the explosions.
    Congratulations America

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  3. #333
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Russia unilaterally withdraws from Kherson to the left bank of the Dnieper.
    Also, Kirill Stremousov, the Moscow-appointed head of the Kherson region, has died in a car crash. He had previously commented on chance of Kherson returning under Ukrainian control using the phrase "over my dead body". There are some things that the Russians do manage to get done as planned, apparently.
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  4. #334
    Seems like they're making the US withdraw from Afghanistan look organised and well thought though.
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  5. #335
    yikes
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    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
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  6. #336
    The scary part is, I doubt the response will be powerful enough.
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  7. #337
    It's not confirmed they were Russian yet.
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  8. #338
    I'd be really surprised if they turn out not to be; the Polish/Ukrainian border regions are relatively peaceful, so there are no targets for the Ukrainians to fire missiles at. I believe the real question is - was the Polish territory struck as a result of piss-poor targeting or missile malfunction, or was the missile damaged/deviated from the intended target by Ukrainian attempts to intercept it.
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  9. #339
    It's quite possible that they were Ukrainian S-300 missiles trying to defend Lviv from a Russian cruise missile attack. If they were launched from a site somewhere to the south of the city, there's a plausible flight path to the impact site in Poland.

    Also, earlier I watched the BBC headline change from 'Reports: Poland struck by Russian missiles' to 'Missiles land in Poland', which indicates some backpaddling is being done.
    Last edited by Steely Glint; 11-16-2022 at 12:00 AM.
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  10. #340
    Yeah, that appears to be the most likely version as of this morning.
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  11. #341
    A new tidbit on Russia's air-ineffectiveness early on. They had to massively scale back their EW efforts (which meant they couldn't do much to protect their aircraft) because it was hampering their own forces even worse than it was the Ukrainians.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  12. #342
    ok the wagners are fighting the other russians now
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    Oh, are we going to see a coup attempt next?
    Congratulations America

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    everyone's on tender hooks
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  15. #345
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    ok the wagners are fighting the other russians now
    I sincerely hope that this actually happens, but no actual shots fired as of yet.
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  16. #346
    Quote Originally Posted by BalticSailor View Post
    I sincerely hope that this actually happens, but no actual shots fired as of yet.
    depends on who you believe
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  17. #347
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    depends on who you believe
    The video of the "base destroyed by Russian army rocket strike" looks kinda staged. The only other claim I've heard is one of a downed army helicopter, and that one comes from Prigozhin, too. Nothing from other sources as far as I've seen.
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  18. #348
    Lost in the coverage of the lolcoup: Blumenthal and Graham pitch bipartisan resolution to invoke NATO art. 5 in the event of nuclear plant shenanigans:

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?528936...uclear-threats
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  19. #349
    Well
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  20. #350
    At this point, the US is threatening to invade more NATO members than Russia.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    At this point, the US is threatening to invade more NATO members than Russia.
    The art of the deal by Donald Chamberlain Trump; offer Capitulation when your opponent is getting into real trouble. I blame European leaders for sitting on their hands for way too long, but what the US administration is doing is effectively ending NATO.
    Congratulations America

  22. #352
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    The art of the deal by Donald Chamberlain Trump; offer Capitulation when your opponent is getting into real trouble. I blame European leaders for sitting on their hands for way too long, but what the US administration is doing is effectively ending NATO.
    Considering President Elon is firing a bunch of people in the nuclear safety agency and gutting the CDC, I don't think we have to worry about the consequences of NATO's destruction. We'll all die from something far more preventable.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Considering President Elon is firing a bunch of people in the nuclear safety agency and gutting the CDC, I don't think we have to worry about the consequences of NATO's destruction. We'll all die from something far more preventable.
    It's remarkable how Trump keeps repeating that Ukraine started the war. I'm starting to think he disapproves of the break up of the Soviet Union.
    Congratulations America

  24. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    It's remarkable how Trump keeps repeating that Ukraine started the war. I'm starting to think he disapproves of the break up of the Soviet Union.
    Agent Trump has been anti-NATO and pro-Russia since the 1980s.

    He's no different to Agent Corbyn and other useful idiots across the West.
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  25. #355
    If the reports are accurate, Ukraine just destroyed about 1/3rd of the Russian strategic bomber fleet doing themselves and everyone else in Europe what is known as a 'massive solid'
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  26. #356
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    If the reports are accurate, Ukraine just destroyed about 1/3rd of the Russian strategic bomber fleet doing themselves and everyone else in Europe what is known as a 'massive solid'
    Apparently from deep within Russian territory no less. Would pay to see the looks on everyone's faces as they sit around the negotiating table
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  27. #357
    It would certainly give them something to think about, I imagine they'd happily spaff soldiers and old cold war crap up the wall for as long as needed to get some sort of concession out of Ukraine but the majority of their bomber fleet is long out of production and effectively irreplaceable, and they're strategic assets which would become relevant in a hypothetical conflict with NATO. If they really have taken 40 of them off the board* that's a huge blow, and also implies a serious and real cost for continuing the in war, since there is no guarantee that Ukraine won't do something similar at some point in the future.

    * To be clear, Ukraine is claiming to have hit 40 which doesn't necessarily mean destroyed - however, given that two of three types of bombers Russia uses are no longer produced, they may not have the replacement parts to make them flyable again leading to the damaged planes being taken out of service and cannibalised for parts, or they are repaired and it, again, eats into the finite supply of parts for those planes, thus lowering the life-span of the existing fleet, either way, very nasty for Russia
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