They're not irrelevant in the discussion about the lockdown. You might feel the long term effects aren't severe enough to warrant a lockdown, but that's different than calling them irrelevant.
Edit: using phrases like 'cowering at home' only makes you sound like an asshole.
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Of course they're irrelevant. Unless you intend to lockdown forever, in which case argue for that, the only excuse for a lockdown is an immediate peril of deaths and the collapse of healthcare.
This is a problem with lockdown, I'm starting to think in hindsight that the Swedish government had this right in principle. People have so moved the Overton window that taking away people's freedoms is now considered acceptable even without the risk of imminent death or collapse of healthcare.
My apologies that I hurt your feelings with the terminology. If people wish to hide away from a virus they're immunised against then they can voluntarily shelter at home or whatever else you want to call it instead. Though when you're wanting to mandate people must stay at home or have other restrictions BY LAW even post vaccines then I think you're the asshole and I stand by the word cower.
If you're so terrified of the long term impacts of a virus whose vaccine program has been completed that you're willing to take away indefinitely people's human right then what exactly in your eyes is the end of this? What is your exit plan to get out of lockdown? Or do we cower/shelter at home indefinitely?
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Also, your choice of words doesn't hurt anyone's feelings, it just makes you sound like a hysterical idiot (no offense, and I don't mean you are, but it makes you sound like one). Not just in this post, but your posting style in general. IDK if you think that's something to be proud of, but it takes away from your credibility.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
What's hysterical is forbidding people by law from having a child's birthday party, when there's no risk of healthcare collapsing.
What's hysterical is making it illegal for a double vaccinated 91 year old to see their children and grandchildren together as they're from separate households, when nobody is dying from the virus.
The pandemic is over. It's time to restore our basic liberties. That's not hysterical.
As I said earlier this has become a zero covid cult for some people. The end of deaths or healthcare collapse isn't enough for some people. I have no time for such cultists.
Sure, fair argument. But your hyperbolic way of posting makes it very hard to take anything you write seriously. If that's what you want, you do you, but it's not constructive to the discussion.
Is it still illegal to visit other households in the UK? Because from your way of posting it's impossible to tell, and it's not like those of us who don't live in the UK know the rules there. I know at least some restrictions were lifted.
Arguably it isn't, at least not in all ways.The pandemic is over.
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What exactly is hyperbolic? If you have an issue then I'm happy to address it. I've not been hyperbolic at all that I know of: I said that I think the only possible reason to take away people's civil liberties is to prevent major amounts of deaths and the collapse of the healthcare system, disease as normal is something we simply have to live with and treat as a part of life as normal. I stand by that, that's not hyperbolic.
It is against the law to see friends or family indoors at the moment in groups of more than six, or two households. So for instance if I wanted to see my 91 year old grandad and my dad at the same time, that's against the law. Or having an indoors children's party, or a plethora of other indoor activities are all criminalised at the minute. Even though all the adults are vaccinated.
In my opinion I've not seen any good arguments to say it isn't. Not when deaths and hospitalisations have stopped. Cases without deaths or hospitalisations isn't a pandemic in any meaningful definition.Arguably it isn't, at least not in all ways.
His IRL stories always paint him as the prick too. Everything from how he treated employees at the pizza joint and bar to the burglary, to the NIMBY attitude he expressed about his community. It just seems to be who he is. Someone who finds empathy and seeing the world outside his own bubble as...difficult. The Brexit and covid threads are just more of the same.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Listen asshole, I said it makes you sound like an asshole, not: you're hurting my feelings.
For the rest of your post, just go fuck yourself.
I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
Which is what I am
I aim at the stars
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You first. *shrug*
You're the arsehole who thinks it's acceptable to forbid people by law from doing basic life events.
No I don't.
The only claim I made is that long term effects aren't irrelevant, so you're a liar as wel.
I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
Which is what I am
I aim at the stars
But sometimes I hit London
Never attribute to mendacity that which can be adequately explained by functional illiteracy and stupidity. Old saying.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
They're irrelevant to whether we should be taking away people's basic human rights.
What threshold are you putting on making it a criminal offence for people to engage in basic life events?
If the EMA doesn't deliver an emergency authorization, a number of countries will bypass the issue by granting approval for their own territories.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
That's their prerogative. It would be foolish though to actively undermine the EMA.
Congratulations America
Think about a dozen member states have already accepted covishield for the purposes of travel?
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Any source for that? Never mind. The number appears to be 7. Probably on the basis of the who recommendation.
Congratulations America
Hey Steely, since Rand can't be trusted to relay facts accurately, can you share what the actual "lockdown restrictions" still in place in the UK are? The ones Rand is so hysterical about for their violation of civil liberties?
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
I expect that nonsense from Hazir but not from you.
What have I ever relayed inaccurately?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-19...-and-cannot-do
It is literally against the law for three families to meet up inside currently.Meeting friends and family indoors (rule of 6)
It is safer to meet people outdoors. This is because COVID-19 spreads much more easily indoors. However, you can meet up indoors with friends and family you do not live with, either:
in a group of up to 6 from any number of households (children of all ages count towards the limit of 6)
in a group of any size from up to two households (each household can include an existing support bubble, if eligible)
If you are meeting friends and family, you can make a personal choice on whether to keep your distance from them, but you should still be cautious. You should read the guidance on meeting friends and family.
TBH, I haven't been paying much attention to the specific rules, as they change all the time and these minute adjustments they keep making don't affect my day to day life too much.
The main ones still in place are you still have to wear masks in shops and you're not allowed to meet with a group of more than 6 indoors, and if you do meet you're not allowed to get closer than 2 meters to people you don't live with. Oh, and people with office jobs are still mostly working from home, I think - we certainly are.
The biggest change recently was that shops have mostly given up on restricting the number of people allowed in at any one time.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
You can meet in larger groups indoors, as long as the group comprises at most 2 households (which includes larger support bubbles).
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Uncharacteristically incautious, but the gist of it is fairly uncontroversial:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2109285
I think most western nations are likely to see rates closer to 10% than 30%, with most recovering (for the most part) within months. But even that is gonna be a major challenge for modern western nations.
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So the government here decided to end a lot of restrictions, ánd to allow people to use vaccination to enter clubs, festivals etc., even if you just got your second jab (so not waiting 2 weeks for efficacy). All of this when almost everyone has had their first jab, but particularly young ish people (including myself at age 34) have only had one.
I'm sure everyone is shocked to hear cases are skyrocketing fast, with several super spread events in night clubs etc., and they're expected to dial back some restrictions this evening.
Oh, and there's no quarantine required if you come back from a hotspot like Spain. Makes perfect sense.
If only someone could have seen this coming.. Like, say, the scientific advisors who explicitly warned against this.
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Boggles the mind doesn't it.
I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
Which is what I am
I aim at the stars
But sometimes I hit London
In this world? Not so much.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Our opening up totally backfired and was reversed in part.
Vaccination is going on relatively smoothly by now. We passed the 100 mark for doses per 100 people, 70% for single dose and 40% for double doses.
Congratulations America
Here in California we have confirmed that vaccinated people are infecting unvaccinated people. That makes me think vaccinated people can also infect vaccinated people.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Wait, what?
The weakest link is the *unvaccinated*. The virus will find them, and use them as hosts to replicate and *mutate*.
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"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
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