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    Sessions, a Republican Senator, is saying the elections will be rigged. Some sheriff in Wisconsin is calling for an armed uprising. These are the party elites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Sessions, a Republican Senator, is saying the elections will be rigged.
    Democrats only have some of their own to blame for that. It'll be another decade or so before people start forgetting the Daly machine.

    Some sheriff in Wisconsin is calling for an armed uprising. These are the party elites.
    Really? That's the party elite?
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Really? That's the party elite?
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...cabinet-231071

    And now he's the likely pick for Homeland Security secretary. Surprising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...cabinet-231071

    And now he's the likely pick for Homeland Security secretary. Surprising.
    Oh God, Carson on education is a possibility?
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

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    Just a bit of the ole' treason.
    When the sky above us fell
    We descended into hell
    Into kingdom come

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    Some Americans have really almost fetishised the whole revolutionary history to the point that there end up being quotes like that every four years.

    Probably a lot more this time since Pandora's Box of Crazy was not just opened but thrust to the forefront.
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    Elite isn't what it used to be Seriously though, a sheriff from the middle of nowhere, I'm pretty sure you get that every election.
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

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    Milwaukee. And I somehow doubt Sessions was thinking of Daly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Milwaukee. And I somehow doubt Sessions was thinking of Daly.
    If you're an educated and politically aware Republican over 30 and you're talking about voter fraud, then I guarantee you're thinking about Daly. Maybe not exclusively, but you are thinking about his machine, that election, and that famous exercise in voter fraud.

    And Loki? That sheriff over in Milwaukee County? I guarantee he's not one of the party elite. Do you want to know how I can guarantee that? Because while he may be a Trump supporter, he's also a registered Democrat.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    There is only one obvious choice in this cluster-fuck campaign.


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    Funniest thing about this thread is that every time I access it on my phone I come face to face with boot hat man.

    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorNorton View Post
    There is only one obvious choice in this cluster-fuck campaign.

    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

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    Educated and politically aware are not necessarily words I'd use to describe Sessions.

    He's a Democrat in the same way Bloomberg used to be a Democrat. He's a consistent supporter of both Republican causes and Republican officials. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_...d_associations
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Educated and politically aware are not necessarily words I'd use to describe Sessions.
    They're sufficient for this.

    He's a Democrat in the same way Bloomberg used to be a Democrat. He's a consistent supporter of both Republican causes and Republican officials. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_...d_associations
    Yeah, so? It doesn't matter a good goddamn what your views are, if you're not in the party, if you're running for the opposing party when you're seeking election, you're not one of the first party's elites.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    https://mobile.twitter.com/crampell/...12120498184192

    At which point do we start blaming the voters?
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    Partisan voters are partisan? Surely that's always been the case.

    Pretty sure if you ask Democrat voters you'd get equivalent results.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Partisan voters are partisan? Surely that's always been the case.

    Pretty sure if you ask Democrat voters you'd get equivalent results.
    Ask Democrat voters what? What kind of equivalent results?

    Here, you can play around with the poll results yourself:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...111b_page.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Partisan voters are partisan? Surely that's always been the case.

    Pretty sure if you ask Democrat voters you'd get equivalent results.
    Pretty sure any sane person wouldn't claim moral equivalence here. Bill Clinton isn't running for president. Trump didn't seem too pleased when his spouse was attacked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Ask Democrat voters what? What kind of equivalent results?

    Here, you can play around with the poll results yourself:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...111b_page.html
    By 17 to 71 Democrats think Bill's behaviour is an issue to Trump.

    Only 16% of Democrats think Hillary's behaviour isn't an issue compared to 38% of Independents.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Pretty sure any sane person wouldn't claim moral equivalence here. Bill Clinton isn't running for president. Trump didn't seem too pleased when his spouse was attacked.
    We aren't talking about sane people here we are talking about partisan voters.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/16/media/donald-trump-snl/

    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    "both sides"
    When the sky above us fell
    We descended into hell
    Into kingdom come

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    Partisan voters who think sexual assault is just a distraction.

    Akin lost the support of ~1/4 of all Republicans after talking about "legitimate rape."
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    That's a very dramatic effect.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Because some issues make even partisans think twice about their favored candidate. For Trumpistas, sexual assault is not one of them. Neither is borderline pedophilia.

    This is not normal: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...gingrich-pence And yes, these are Republican elites, most of whom are either taking part in Trump's attempt to destroy democracy or are passively standing by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Because some issues make even partisans think twice about their favored candidate. For Trumpistas, sexual assault is not one of them. Neither is borderline pedophilia.

    This is not normal: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...gingrich-pence And yes, these are Republican elites, most of whom are either taking part in Trump's attempt to destroy democracy or are passively standing by.
    "Pence dodged Trump’s outright accusation, telling NBC’s Meet the Press: “So many Americans feel like this election is being rigged.”"

    *sighs* The GGT-ification of America.

    I'm curious though. The article claims racially charged comments from Guiliani, but they're not in any of the quotes I see provided. Instead, I see a quote about Chicago, followed by the journalist saying Chicago has a large black population. A follow-on quote about the dead voting is, again, a crack at the Daly machine and the 1960 Presidential election. So it looks to me like the Guardian is, in fact, doing exactly what the Trump campaign is alleging about the media deliberately lying about the campaign.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    "Pence dodged Trump’s outright accusation, telling NBC’s Meet the Press: “So many Americans feel like this election is being rigged.”"

    *sighs* The GGT-ification of America.

    I'm curious though. The article claims racially charged comments from Guiliani, but they're not in any of the quotes I see provided. Instead, I see a quote about Chicago, followed by the journalist saying Chicago has a large black population. A follow-on quote about the dead voting is, again, a crack at the Daly machine and the 1960 Presidential election. So it looks to me like the Guardian is, in fact, doing exactly what the Trump campaign is alleging about the media deliberately lying about the campaign.
    In this election, what voters "feel" has become more important than reality.

    They mostly talk about Philly, inner cities, and Black Panthers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    A follow-on quote about the dead voting is, again, a crack at the Daly machine and the 1960 Presidential election.

    Not that well versed on how widely dead people voted in 1960, but part of his quote is listed below. If it was a crack as you suggest I don't see the reason to make it specifically about inner cities.

    "I'm sorry, dead people generally vote for Democrats rather than Republicans," the former New York City mayor told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union." "You want me to (say) that I think the election in Philadelphia and Chicago is going to be fair? I would have to be a moron to say that."

    "I can't sit here and tell you that they don't cheat. And I know that because they control the polling places in these areas. There are no Republicans, and it's very hard to get people there who will challenge votes. So what they do is, they leave dead people on the rolls and then they pay people to vote as dead people, four, five, six, seven" times, Giuliani said.
    "I've found very few situations where Republicans cheat. They don't control the inner cities the way Democrats do. Maybe if Republicans controlled the inner cities, they'd do as much cheating as Democrats do," he said.


    This seems to fit rather squarely with his history of saying stupid racist shit without realizing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    I wonder why Hillary simply doesn't pull the plug on the 3rd debate.
    Its a game of chicken, Trump has made several comments about not wanting to do a 3rd debate, going so far as to suggest that Hilary should be drug tested before it. Why give him what he wants?
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Not that well versed on how widely dead people voted in 1960, but part of his quote is listed below. If it was a crack as you suggest I don't see the reason to make it specifically about inner cities.
    Because that's where this kind of party machine has always existed in the US, since its beginning with organizations like Tammany Hall. I don't know if Philadelphia has that kind of political machine still in operation (it wouldn't surprise me given the corruption stories I've heard but I've never really looked at the city), but Chicago sure as hell does. It's got nothing to do with race though, and I don't see anything in Guiliani's comments which would suggest he meant it that way or even that it could be construed that way even if he didn't intend such a meaning. They're two completely unrelated topics.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Trump is going to lose an overwhelming landslide defeat. Hillary has more chance of winning Texas than Trump does the Oval Office FFS. So yes many partisans are for very good reason rejecting him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    https://image-store.slidesharecdn.co...8e7-large.jpeg

    If I wouldn't know better, I'd say he's calling for a violent overthrow of the US government. And no, I don't know better.

    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Trump is going to lose an overwhelming landslide defeat. Hillary has more chance of winning Texas than Trump does the Oval Office FFS. So yes many partisans are for very good reason rejecting him.
    He has the support of ~80% of Republican voters (who have two other choices in McMullin and Johnson) and a vast majority of Republican legislators.
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    When are those Tweets from? Sounds like 2000 but that can't be right. Heard LOTS of comments like that from bitter losers in 2000 and through the whole of Bush's Presidency. Moore and others said similar.

    80% of a parties partisans will support a monkey in the right coloured rosette. To have lost 20% is an incredible defeat. Oh and you have explained repeatedly why Johnson et al are NOT choices.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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