How can you say that when the political parties decide if we have open or closed primaries?Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
How can you say that when the political parties decide if we have open or closed primaries?
I believe states usually decide that.
Which are controlled by the 2 parties...
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Today's Republican Party is FUBAR
They only hold the Presidency, Senate, House, over two thirds of state governors, over two thirds of state Houses, over two thirds of state Senates. Plus indirectly a majority of SCOTUS.
And yet, no one can say what the Republican Party actually represents, other than its current power control
What is the one thing that fractious mess came together to pass last year, and in record time given the complexity of the legislation? That's what the Republican party represents -- all the repercussions and consequence of the bill, everyone and everything it will affect, and despite what all the angry rural, disaffected voters thought they were voting for.
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Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
If you mean the state parties in control decide, then yeah.
I disagree with your statement that US political parties are "relatively weak organizations". We have two very powerful parties that consume all the oxygen, and force others, even Independents, to run as Republicans or Democrats. The Tea Party and Bernie Sanders are good examples for that.
It's a broad church. Same with the Democrats.
With Trump as the "leader" of the GOP, if there aren't Republicans jumping ship and/or demanding censure and/or impeachment (especially after his latest shithole covfefe) they can all go to hell. They're nothing more than opportunistic power mongers, making excuses for a white supremacist in the White House who will sign any bill they put on his desk.
Trump isn't the "leader" of the GOP. That's not how your party system works.
When POTUS gets elected under a party affiliation, yeah - he's considered that party's leader.
The short answer is a president has tremendous influence over their party and most are able to leverage that power into becoming the de facto head of the party.
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Also, Trump wouldn't be president if he hadn't won the Republican Party's nomination first....
He may be the foremost Republican with the most de facto power but he can't either de facto or de jure control how other Republicans vote. He can't force Senators or Governors or other elected Republicans to back him in the same way that a party leader can here with our whipping system.
He can't force them, but he enjoys a national bully pulpit (no congressman does), has the loyalty of the base, and has significant control over the budget and political appointments. Historically, that's been enough to "convince" wayward congressmen. So yes, you can't compare a president to a prime minister in terms of party control, but the president is the most visible representative of a party and has more power over it than anyone else.
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Indeed of course that all matters though there's a reason why I emphasised Senators and Governors not Congressmen as the former traditionally are a lot more independent than the latter.
In other words, Trump IS the leader of the Republican Party.
He is A leader of the Republican Party.
The House Majority Leader and Speaker of the House of Representatives amongst others are other Leaders of the Republican Party.
That's not really how the public views it.
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No but it is how the elected Representatives, Senators, Governors, State Senators, State Representatives etc see it. Versus GGT's suggestion that they should "jump ship" simply going against Trump is more plausible than jumping ship.
Hang on, Rand. Are you saying elected Republicans don't consider Trump the leader of their party?
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You gotta do what you gotta do when "unstable white guy" describes both the shooter and your base.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
You know the best way to deflate conspiracy theorists is to actually put more information out there.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/14/us/las...ons/index.html
You know an even better way? Not having freaking congressmen spread them.
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Unless he stated something factually wrong I'm not sure what the issue is. A lot of other Americans are curious as well as what was up with this guy. Did he have support from someone? What were his political beliefs? What were his motives? EVERY mass shooting leads to these questions and most of the time all that information is on blast within a week of the event. It didn't happen here and because of this conspiracy theories spawn.
Are you serious? The entire terrorism angle is fake.
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There is a difference between fake and skeptical.Are you serious? The entire terrorism angle is fake.
Saying "Terrorists did it, this was a cover-up, 911 inside job raaaah." And saying "Kinda odd how we still don't know any details, seems interesting ISIS took credit for it - could we get some more light on his motives?"
The sad truth is that there is little doubt liberals would hide information from the public about who did it for fear of 'increased bigotry.' At this point there is no real evidence that ISIS or any other Islamic Terrorist faction was behind it - ISIS takes credit for everything and anything. The point is release the info - let people's questions be answered. I see little to no reason why investigators haven't pushed some plausible theories backed by evidence they found. Normally these crazies leave a trail. When the silence is deafening you get people putting their own theories out instead.
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