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    Telling a story like this publically is like getting a XXX tatoo on your forearm. If anyone takes more than a casual look they get to see what a total dumbass and scum bag you are. Mind boggling.




    by Linda Holmes

    It's a piece of necessary wisdom that will be shared with countless college students this fall by nervous parents: Tell a story at a party, and it's heard by a handful of people, whose reactions you perhaps have some ability to predict. Tell it on the internet, and it will be heard by the people you know and the people you don't — and the latter outnumber the former by several orders of magnitude. Don't put your picture on Facebook flashing the camera or looking drunk or kissing someone you might later regret kissing.

    But for people trying to break into some kind of a creative field, the ability to broadcast your work is a blessing. Perhaps your stand-up video on YouTube will be the one that goes viral, or your blog post will be the one everyone reads. There are a million opportunities to be seen, and the best part is that you don't have to deal with so much "no."

    "No, we won't publish your piece." "Okay, I'll put it on my blog."
    "No, we won't give you a record deal." "Okay, I'll make YouTube videos."
    "No, we won't publish your book." "That's okay; I can do it myself for e-readers."

    The development of online writing and performance exposes new voices and lets those voices experiment with provocative, enormously creative content, and there are a thousand good things to say about that. Gatekeepers have traditionally been similar to each other in sensibility and demographics, often to the detriment of diverse content.

    But who you are talking to no longer has anything to do with who you think you're talking to. You can tell a story to your narrow circle a hundred times and have nobody bat an eyelash, but the minute you step outside that circle, everything is completely different.

    At an improv comedy show on August 14, audience members were invited to step up to the microphone and tell a story that would inspire an improv set. Partway through the performance, a man who identifies himself as "Eric" begins to tell his story. He explains that he was working as a host/cook at Second City in Chicago, and a drunk woman from out of town hit on a friend of his, but the friend had a girlfriend, so he effectively passed her number off to Eric. (Like ... a baseball card? If you already find this story creepy, rest assured that it's only getting started.)

    In Eric's version of events, he goes to the woman's hotel room, and she tells him he's not the guy she invited. "Yeah," he says, "but I'm the guy who showed up." [Huge audience applause.] She tells him to leave, but he persists (with charming lines like "my friend said this was a sure deal"), and when that doesn't work, he asks to borrow her cell phone, telling her it's so he can get a ride and leave. When she goes into the room to get her phone, she leaves the door open. As he describes it, this made him think, "Bingo." (Be aware before you watch the video, where Eric begins speaking at about the 38-minute mark: It's upsetting and crude.)

    So he goes into the room and closes the door behind him. She tells him again that he needs to leave, and at that point — again, quoting Eric — his thought is, "It's now or never." So she asks him to leave again, and he says he doesn't think she really means it, and then they "end up on the bed ... making out." How exactly they "ended up on the bed" when she was just telling him to leave repeatedly is left unstated, but to cut to the chase, he winds up having sex with her, after which she tells him to get out. Asked if she was attractive, he gives a noncommittal "eh."

    [I'll wait here while you take a hot shower and wash off that story.]

    Predictably, the question arose pretty quickly, as Jezebel asked it, "Is This Comedy Monologue A Rape Confession?" Since then, there's been extensive discussion in various comment sections of the fine points of consent and law and intoxication, and since The Second City tweeted from its official account that it had "alerted the proper authorities," those questions will have to be answered by people who can figure out what really happened and whether all or any of this story is true.

    Here's the thing, though. In the best case scenario — in the absolute sunniest way you can possibly look at this story — Eric is telling a story that he thinks is really funny about how he used an anonymous woman like a blow-up doll, doing whatever he had to in order to get in the door, ultimately persuading her to go along, caring not at all that she didn't want to have sex with him, having sex with her, and then leaving. He treats her like she's inhuman and valueless and gross and nasty but still fine for having sex with once, and he thinks he's the hero of this story.

    What has stuck with me ever since I saw this video — what has really kept me restless and bothered — is that he has no idea what he's doing. He has no idea that anybody would object to this at all, while I'm over here barely being able to listen to it because it's so upsetting and it pings every instinct I have about creeps and The Gift Of Fear and RUN RUN RUN YELL FOR HELP. He told this story thinking maybe that it would get on YouTube and everyone would think it was hilarious ("No, but I'm the guy who showed up!"). He had no idea that Second City would wind up saying, in effect, "Uh, yeah, we ... called the cops."

    If Eric thought telling this story in public would open up a serious public back-and-forth about whether this is a story of sexually assaulting this woman, he wouldn't have done it. He thinks he looks cool in this story, and indeed, a certain number of people in the audience keep laughing the whole time.

    This is the curse and the blessing of the instantly multiplied audience, I suppose. Whoever has heard this story before apparently thought it was funny. It certainly doesn't seem to be the first time he's told it, considering that at one point he actually says he's speaking "the way I tell this story to my friends."

    Maybe it's not true. Maybe it's part-true. That certainly matters to the police, and to the woman, and to him, and presumably to his family and friends. But whether he considers this a true story where everyone will be on his side or a comedy routine that will strike people as some kind of a hooray-for-the-underdog narrative, I find it profoundly upsetting. Having it be true is awful, but having it be something he would invent or embellish, either as comedy or as image management, also crawls across my skin like an entire army of cockroaches.

    Certainly, the fact that he told this story may be a good thing if it gets somebody to deal with whatever is going on here, whether there's a crime to prosecute or not. But the idea that somewhere, there is a guy who thinks this story makes him look good, who apparently had no idea that it would make him look to a lot of other people like a criminal or at best a revolting heel, makes me wish the always-on video had never been invented, because part of me just didn't want to know.
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    Read that while not logged in and got an advertisement for Glenn Beck's gold company. I wonder if it was the dumbass or scumbag key word...

    but yeah, rape doesn't belong in a comedy skit. Brandy and I try to make the Improv around here at least once a week, and not once has someone been dumb enough to bring up rape. Sex is a popular subject , sex with ugly people is to. Forced sex is not.
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    Author of the article is a woman, obviously.

    Not sure what's worse... dumbass thinks that his story should be repeated, or other dumbass(es) making a huge deal out of it (writing this article, calling the cops, and so on). Oh, and that whole bit implying there's something wrong with using a woman's genitals for their intended function. Pfft. At least there's plenty of dumbass to go around, or something.

    Oh, wait, I know what the worst thing is. That story-telling dumbass isn't a social outcast, despite telling this story a bunch of times. Best case scenario, she let him screw her as the quickest, easiest way to get him to leave... which really makes him look like a catch. And, of course, if this is the sex story he tells, one must wonder if that's because it's the only one he has.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    but yeah, rape doesn't belong in a comedy skit.
    No evidence it was a rape, other than the author's overly-sensitive, feminist-crap assertion that the story was about a rape. Really, the much more plausible explanation is that it was an "if I let you fuck me will you go away?" type of situation. Nothing "rapey" about that, just lots of pathetic.
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    And now that I think about it, what's wrong with having rape in a comedy skit? (Other than a certain type of moron getting offended by it, which is true of any joke.) Plenty of hilarious bits about rape I can think of, just off of what little TV I do watch, including Norm MacDonald's funniest line ever.
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    I'm more with Cane here, if it's done right you can joke about anything. Granted if I knew my audience wouldn't take it the way i'm trying to convey it, I may choose to change the act, but I wouldn't say it's off limits in general. If i made a joke invovling death and someone had someone die recently it could send them for a trip.

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    Well, the guy's a total fucking idiot, there's no other way to slice it. Once on youtube, his open mic debut will paint him the douchebag for the rest of his life. (Hence the tattoo comparison...) As to whether it was rape, I think that's a hard legal case to make no matter what happened. The woman, who was traveling iirc, passed her room number on to a stranger in a bar. So the guy's best friend showed up instead, gets dismissed repeatedly, but lies to get into her room, then ends up having sex with her. It's not like she wasn't already planning to have sex with a stranger that night. As far as the dismissals are concerned, maybe she's one of those girls who says "no" but really means "yes yes yes." Maybe the discourse at the door was really more like flirty banter than the porn-movie macho spin the guy put on it. And why would the woman leave the door open to let him in? Why would she not at least have the chain drawn? Why wouldn't she tell him to go to the front desk and ask to use the phone, rather than let him use her cell? Or maybe nothing happened at all - he could have made up the story to save face in front of his buddy, got a lot of fun mileage out of it, and is still telling it today.

    So 2nd City notified the police. Ok, so the police either blow it off or they come by and ask him a few questions about when and where. Then they check for rape complaints fitting his facts. If there is something, he's probably screwed, based on his confession. But almost certainly there is not, and it all goes away. Except for the idiotic youtube vid of him telling the story. Moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    not once has someone been dumb enough to bring up rape
    I guess the line is between when someone has been raped in real life, and thats the skit, or someone in real life is joking about a hypothetical rape...because it comes up plenty of times in adult cartoons. Robot Chicken even had a skit where Snuggles the Bear, upon someone discovering how soft he is, is raped, washed (with the fabric softener/detergent he advertises), then raped again (off screen of course). Even Peter from Family Guy has been raped a bunch of times as a joke.*


    * Not condoning this, just illustrating that it has happened, and OG has very likely watched, as have millions of people.
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    It's not like she wasn't already planning to have sex with a stranger that night.
    This kind of reasoning is funny in a joke, but is horrible if to be taken seriously. This girl has sex with guys, I'm a guy... Whoever the guy's friends with was a "player" or just happened to have chemistry and got this girls info, she didn't give it to anyone there was wooing invovled.

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    Well, what can I say, for me a probably fictional account of the arkward mating rituals of the straight person on a one-night stand is funny. For a feminist its reason to call the police.

    I pity straight American men, and I sure hope gay Americans are still a long way off this warped way of looking at sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebanese Dragon View Post
    This kind of reasoning is funny in a joke, but is horrible if to be taken seriously. This girl has sex with guys, I'm a guy... Whoever the guy's friends with was a "player" or just happened to have chemistry and got this girls info, she didn't give it to anyone there was wooing invovled.
    Nevertheless, it would be a factor in a court case. Woman says she had sex against her will, man says she wanted to. Who's telling the truth? Clearly this woman has no issue with having sex with strangers, so it's plausible this was a consentual situation. On the other hand, if the man had been convicted of rape before, well, then a case for rape would be much more plausible....
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    Nevertheless, it would be a factor in a court case. Woman says she had sex against her will, man says she wanted to. Who's telling the truth? Clearly this woman has no issue with having sex with strangers, so it's plausible this was a consentual situation. On the other hand, if the man had been convicted of rape before, well, then a case for rape would be much more plausible....
    You're using the argument in a different context now (see what i mean by that?) and I still don't think it's very strong in the case you depict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebanese Dragon View Post
    You're using the argument in a different context now (see what i mean by that?) and I still don't think it's very strong in the case you depict.
    This sentence is the topic sentence for that paragraph, more or less:
    As to whether it was rape, I think that's a hard legal case to make no matter what happened.
    The paragraph was supposed to be about that topic, the pursuit of a legal rape case. What if she saw the video and then filed a complaint? Or, what if the police managed to contact her and she said yeah, he raped her? The guy very publicly boasts behavior that suggests he may have forced her to have sex and she says he indeed forced her. When he denies it in court, what sort of items is the defense going to bring up? Strong or not, it will be brought up to discredit her claim. "What? You invite strangers to come to your hotel room for sex and when one shows up and has sex with you, now you want to claim rape?"
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