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    Further to my posts in the Pictures Thread about a night of rioting and looting in Tottenham, a second night has seen copycat rioting and looting spread across Wood Green, Walthamstow, Waltham Forest, Enfield and Islington, right across North London in other words, and south over the river to Brixton, near where I live.

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    LONDON RIOTS

    Police have condemned a wave of "copycat criminal activity" across London in a second night of looting and disorder following riots in Tottenham.

    More than 100 people have been arrested as officers were attacked, police vehicles damaged and shops looted and damaged in parts of London.

    Disorder spread to Enfield, Walthamstow and Waltham Forest in north London and to Brixton in the south of the city.

    Some 35 officers have been injured over the two nights of rioting.

    Three officers were hurt when a vehicle hit them as they tried to make an arrest in Waltham Forest, east London.

    Clashes broke out in Enfield, north London, on Sunday evening where shop windows were smashed and a police car damaged.

    There have been reports of a gang of up to 200 youths looting shops and charging police in Coldharbour Lane and the High Street in Brixton, south London.

    The Met said it had dealt with several incidents of "copycat criminal activity" across the city.

    Journalist Paraic O'Brien told BBC 5 live he had witnessed widespread looting in Brixton.

    He said: "They smashed a William Hill, they set bins on fire, etc...

    "And now what we're seeing as the night progresses is that replicated, sort of flashpoints all along Brixton High Street.

    "I've seen a Vodafone looted, I've seen a Foot Locker looted and set on fire, I've seen Marks & Spencers attacked.

    "I've seen a striking number of mobile phone stockists that have been targeted.

    "I'm standing outside Halfords on the other side of the road and they've just smashed through the doors of Halfords. They're taking bikes out the front entrance.

    "I have to say, what really struck me was the small number of police officers that there actually seem to be on Brixton High Street responding to this."

    Press Association photographer Lewis Whyld saw looters battle police at a Currys store in Brixton.

    He said: "A couple of 100 youths were rioting and looting. Riot police went in to get them out and there was a big fight in the street.

    "Youths were throwing rocks and bottles and there was a bin on fire. They used a fire extinguisher to push the police back so they could get back into Currys and continue taking things out."

    Rhoda Dakar also saw the trouble in Brixton.

    He said: "I saw smoke coming from one side of the railway bridge. The was a strong toxic smell in the air.

    "Youths were looting and running with poles - at that point I chose to leave and go home.

    "You could tell youths were just out there waiting for something to happen."

    Met Police Commander Christine Jones said: "Officers are shocked at the outrageous level of violence directed against them. At least nine officers were injured overnight in addition to the 26 injured on Saturday night.

    "We will not tolerate this disgraceful violence. The investigation continues to bring these criminals to justice."

    London Fire Brigade said it had been called to a number of fires in Enfield, Brixton and Walthamstow, including a fire at a shop on Brixton Road, which is now under control.

    The disorder follows rioting in Tottenham which broke out on Saturday night and continued into Sunday morning.

    A peaceful protest over the fatal shooting by police on Thursday of 29-year-old Mark Duggan descended into violence later in the evening.

    The unrest spread into nearby Wood Green and Tottenham Hale. Shops were attacked and looted, 26 police officers and three others were injured and buildings and vehicles were set alight.

    Parts of Tottenham are still cordoned off, as officers and forensic specialists continue to examine the riot scene.

    A total of 61 arrests have been made in connection with the first night of rioting. The majority were for burglary, and other offences including violent disorder, robbery, theft and handling stolen goods.

    Sixteen people have been charged are for offences including burglary, violent disorder and possession of a pointed or bladed weapon following the Tottenham riots.

    As well as Mr Duggan, a police officer was also shot in Thursday's incident, which happened in what was called a "pre-planned" event, under Operation Trident, which investigates gun crime in London's African and Caribbean communities.

    Police had stopped a minicab which Mr Duggan had been travelling in.

    Brixton Tube station is currently shut and a number of roads across London are shut due to the violence.

















    Like most people here, I'm shocked and dismayed at this.

    Criminal gangs and groups of teenagers able to shut down swathes of this city and loot at will, unimpeded.

    The police so under-resourced that they simply cannot adequately respond, despite calling in officers from Kent and other forces outside the met.

    It's appalling.

    Call me Dave really needs to rethink the cuts he is currently imposing on the force. It's a downright dangerous policy.
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    My girlfriend has just texted on her way to work. The usual monday morning rush-hour commute is eerily quiet, save for the continuous sound of sirens everywhere.

    Brixton is shut down and she was not able to get through.

    Bit of a siege mentality at the moment.

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    And all of this started with a botched arrest?
    Congratulations America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    And all of this started with a botched arrest?
    Decades of social problems
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    And all of this started with a botched arrest?
    That was the spark that set this off.

    As has been mentioned elsewhere in this forum recently though, riots and unrest are usually born out of poverty. All that's needed is an excuse.

    The UK is feeling the austerity measures imposed here, as elsewhere in Europe.

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    Am I the only one who is reminded of the riots in paris a few years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    Am I the only one who is reminded of the riots in paris a few years ago?
    No it's not just you, in Paris it started of similar, they police also tried to arrest someone.

    Well it's time to get the Kärcher out again
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    Blaming this on austerity is a silly political ploy. Is any police department equipped for large chunks of its population going ape-shit without calling for backup? As mentioned, this is decades of failed social policy going on right here.

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    I too am a bit surprised by the claim this is about austerity. Which actual cuts has the government made so far?

    Also, 'rest of Europe' is not quite the case; besides the PIIGS there is no country implementing severe austerity measures.
    Congratulations America

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    because a Pandemic meme was to obvious
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    This is no more due to austerity than football hooliganism is. With Twitter and other social networking sites its easy to get together mobs nowadays. The people turned violent were thugs and deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    This is no more due to austerity than football hooliganism is. With Twitter and other social networking sites its easy to get together mobs nowadays. The people turned violent were thugs and deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
    I.E. A month in jail, with half the sentence suspended.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Took a little longer than I expected...

    children playing GTA to blame for riots.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Can't say they are the brightest bunch of rioters, thats for sure.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post


    Can't say they are the brightest bunch of rioters, thats for sure.
    Please tell me that's a joke.
    Congratulations America

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    Guessing so.

    Shoot the bastards. Get an Apache helicopter in the air and shoot the bastards.

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml
    That mob mentality can make people do some crazy and stupid shit.
    Read a report somewhere that the looters formed an orderly queue when robbing some stores
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Just been down to the local pub in West Dulwich.

    Quite a few people congregated around worried, hoping the crap from Brixton doesn't spill south. All our shops are shut and barricaded.

    Scenes on the TV, the rioting has now started in Hackney and Lewisham with buses attacked and set on fire, and more looting, so East London is now affected too.

    The most striking thing is that people are doing what they want, with no police presence at all. It's really worrying.

    Calls to bring the army in. The police clearly can't cope, even with the 500+ extra officers drafted in.

    I'd love to see tanks on the streets. Soon shut them up.

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    Really that bad? I don't like the idea of brining the army into this.
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    Seriously, they should just shoot the bastards. Whether its rubber bullets, batton rounds, tear gas or live ammunition I frankly don't care. But stop them. Was watching Sky before and for at least 5 minutes they had a live shot from a helicopter with a mob of thugs trying to set a car on fire. They were struggling and went again and again putting burning objects inside, smashing the windows, took ages until the whole thing was wrecked and alight. All live on Sky News.

    Why couldn't the cops get there? Why can Sky get there, but they couldn't get a Police Helicopter to fly overhead next to the Sky helicopter and FUCKING SHOOT THEM? Instead they were just allowed to run riot and no attempt was made to stop them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Seriously, they should just shoot the bastards.
    I really couldn't disagree at this time.

    Shops in Croydon have been set on fire now. That's directly south of us.

    Reports of riots in Birmingham too. Copycat riots spreading to other cities?

    WTF. Really.

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    Indeed, this isn't a Lewkowskian "Fry 'em" moment, but peoples lives are in danger by this activity. Many have been hospitalised, and people's homes, cars, business, jobs, livelihoods are literally going up in smoke. At least 45 households are now homeless.

    This needs to be stopped. With rubber bullets if possible, live ammunition if necessary.

    As for copycats, it wouldn't surprise me if it spreads to the North-West and we get riots in Liverpool. Its just totally unnecessary and wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    As for copycats, it wouldn't surprise me if it spreads to the North-West and we get riots in Liverpool.
    Not seen anything on the news yet but a few people I know have put on Facebook statuses that its started in Liverpool. Also one that its happening in Mancheter. Seriously WTF?

    I'm seriously worried one of my businesses could get hit

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    This whole thing is so weird.
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    Barnet, Bethnal Green, Barking, East Ham, Lewisham, all in East London, rioting now. Buildings burning.

    Clapham Junction, Britain's busiest railway station, has been shut down with trouble outside. Clapham High Street, an upmarket area of South London, now has shops on fire.

    Mobs of youths in their hundreds kicking in shop windows and stealing what they can.

    Jesus.

    All I can hear is sirens outside.

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    Be careful, Tim.

    This is just awful, like I said in the pictures thread I can't imagine that sort of thing happening in London. I didn't think there was such a problem with youths.

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    Remarkable video by a Sky News reporter on what looks to be home-made on a camera-phone.

    Kind of says it all the Currys Digital has been thoroughly ransacked, but Waterstones (book store) hasn't been touched.

    The Police are stretched so far beyond capacity its not funny . This has no cause or motive, its just wanton criminal damage and opportunistic thefts.

    If the Police can't deal with it we should call up the TA or the Army to restore order if necessary.

    EDIT: Oh no . ITV are reporting a man has been shot and killed in Croydon

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Kind of says it all the Currys Digital has been thoroughly ransacked, but Waterstones (book store) hasn't been touched.


    Aye I noticed that. It's all the electrical stores and the sports goods stores which sell trainers. Fkin delinquents.

    If the Police can't deal with it we should call up the TA or the Army to restore order if necessary.
    Beeb has just mentioned the army for the first time. Can't see it happening but I wish it would.

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    Reports in Birmingham are worsening. Mobs pushing the police back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    If the Police can't deal with it we should call up the TA or the Army to restore order if necessary.
    Well, where are the property owners in all this? I mean, if the police can't protect your property for you, do it yourself. It's far from ideal, and it sucks, but it beats having your place burned down or looted. Just head on down to your store, bring some caffeine to to keep you up, a sign to warn looters away, something to read or watch to stay entertained, and of course, your shotgu...

    Right, my apologies. It slipped my mind that the legal code in most of Europe mandates that the citizenry be defenseless.

    Carry on.
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    Isn't that the kind of situation for which martial law is intended? Curfews and stuff?

    Terry Pratchett has made this a scenario in his Night Watch book: The police only works as long as the majority agrees that police works. As soon as the mob gets the idea that they are many and the police are few, the situation is completely out of control. Which means that you either hope for a wonder, bunker down and wait until it's over - or you call in the army.
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