If Britain is better off outside of the EU, why should the initial reaction be in this reaction?
Just wait until Britain gets to hear the terms of a new trade agreement.
If Britain is better off outside of the EU, why should the initial reaction be in this reaction?
Just wait until Britain gets to hear the terms of a new trade agreement.
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Because markets don't like uncertainty in the short-term. On the other hand uncertainty is in the long-term no bad thing, I'm viewing this from the long-term perspective as the right decision. The Brown government thought it had certainty and "eliminated boom and bust" only to lead to the biggest recession we'd seen since the Great Depression. Europe has had a rather "certain" Eurosclerosis for decades now. I'd rather then uncertainty of opportunity than the certainty of decline.
As for the new trade agreement, Britain doesn't "get to hear" a new trade agreement, we get to negotiate a new trade agreement. The world's fifth largest economy, the EU's single largest economy will from today onwards stand proudly and strongly up in the world and stand up for ourselves.
Fear and self-loathing have failed as they deserved to fail. Confidence and optimism are the new order.
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
Right. You're going to have lots of leverage against an EU whose GDP is 5 times larger than yours and an EU that's going to be royally pissed off at this decision. Do you know how negotiations work?
Ouch.
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If it stays like this good news for our exporters and our tourism, if it doesn't stay like this it's no such big ideal. Either way I'm not planning on going on holiday any time soon.
Yeah, it will be great for your exporters once they figure out where they're still allowed to export.
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Everything, cut the bullshit the campaigning is over
Exactly. Now the bullshit that could convince xenophobic voters is going to be quickly discredited. You'll no longer have the right to your own facts.
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Good. Let's get rid of the xenophobic bullshit that encourages us to prioritise white Europeans, or to stop all migration. There is a very rational middle ground that can be reached. Probably I suspect the EFTA with migration kerbs.
Good luck with that as xenophobes or those beholden to them gain influence within both major parties. The Labour Leave MPs are already claiming that the lesson from this referendum is that Labour didn't pay enough attention to the immigration issue.
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This may come as a shock to you so keep it secret, but I'm not a Labour voter ...
If you think the next leaders of the Tories and Labour will be pro-immigration, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Loki I hope you remembered the bridge tariff.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Better hope its denominated in pounds.
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While if you think the next leader of the Tories will close the borders, I have a bridge to sell you too ...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7103186.html
I wonder if we're seeing the beginning of the end of the Conservative party.
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QTWAIN. If anything the Tory party is due a Renaissance now from this. Goodbye Europe divisions.
Is this yet another one of those Brexit promises which is "just a possibility"?
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The speed at which some Brexitiers are attempting roll back on the things they said during the campaign is somewhat breathtaking. I know politicians not keeping their promises is something of a cliche, but... they normally wait till a couple of years have passed to go back on them. Not a couple of days after the vote.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
I think. . . the Tories have weathered worse, in their long history.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Actually, the backtracking had started before the last votes had been counted.
Congratulations America
I would be so not surprised if UKIP will be bigger at the next elections.
Congratulations America
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
Should we tell Randblade that going on a vacation would be impossible as they were rejecting the pound wholesale over the weekend?
Congratulations America
Than one out of 650 MPs?
I think it's likely they'll end up with less than one now myself, depends if Douglas Carswell decides to stick it out with them. If he doesn't I fail to see why they'll win a new seat when they never have before and they've lost their raison d'etre, if he does stick it out then they'll possibly hold on to his seat. Odds of having more than one MP I'd put at about 5%. Unless somehow Labour and the Lib Dems fight the next election on voiding the referendum (if there's an early GE) in which case I could see UKIP winning working class Labour seats.
You mean like how they're now saying that immigration will be under control rather than dramatically cut? When it was actually policy stated repeatedly to ... take control and not to dramatically cut it?
There was no policy to dramatically cut migration. Pressed on what number of migrants they were proposing in the BBC Great Debate, two days before the Brexit vote, they said that there was no specific number they were saying that the country should have control. Now after the vote the exact same thing is being said and all of a sudden it is a great betrayal.
Maybe if for a split second people had listened to what was actually being said, rather than what you thought/wished was being said, this would come as no big surprise? Maybe if like me you'd comprehended for a split second that Nigel Farage had ZERO to do with the official leave campaign, you'd realise what he was being said was not the promise on offer?
Actually, Hannan has already conceded there won' t be control over immigration.
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Congratulations America
When you're on record as saying things like, quote, "uncontrolled migration is driving down wages", and then make the assertion that you want to leave the EU so we can "control migration" is it any wonder that people take that to mean migration is going to be be cut dramatically?
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
May I take the opportunity that your racists don't do the black-white thing? Polish citizens have been treated ghastly over the last few days. So how you think to get away with this kind of claptrap?
Really Rand, if you get in bed with the wrong people their flees won't stay off you.
Congratulations America
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57...5vqfvfs35l8fr= Rand's really on the right side of history here.
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