Question remains: who pays for British EU citizens if not the UK?Originally Posted by Aimless
Or are these people going to be EU citizens in name only ?
Question remains: who pays for British EU citizens if not the UK?
Or are these people going to be EU citizens in name only ?
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If EU citizenship were to be truly separate from British citizenship as the lawyers argue then the EU should pay for its own citizens.
Though that's not going to happen.
Given that the EU has no powers to collect taxes....
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Aren't these people paying the Dutch taxes and not UK taxes anyway? I thought you guys used a territorial tax system over there.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
They problem doesn’t lie in where they pay taxes. The problem lies in the coordination of social security, worker benefits and pensions. Freedom of movement implies that some entitlements can be enjoyed in a different state than where they were paid for in premiums or taxation depending on the local system. At the end of the day the state systems settle the differences. If the UK falls out of this system for new cases the systems of other countries would be facing deficits whenever a Brit would use his grandfathered EU citizenship to work/live in the EU. This is a problem which has no solution under EU law. The host country has no obligation to provide for it and the EU doesn’t have the means for it, nor the power to let the UK pay up. A logical way out would seem to limit grandfathering to those Brits who used their Union rights before Brexit, but that doesn’t solve the problem if such a Brit would move between the EU and UK after Brexit AND it would create at least two classes of EU citizenship.
I think the ECJ will decide that article 50 ends the application of article 20 on Brexit day.
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I'd have absolutely no problems with giving them the right to apply for citizenship in the country where they're living/working right now. But staying a EU citizen after their homecountry willingly left the EU? Naw.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Indeed. If they're working in the Netherlands they're paying to the Netherlands.
Not always actually, but I guess most would prefer to be taxed in The Netherlands.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...brexit-eu-says
This will be fun.
We could have avoided all this if your moron prime minister simply had stood up at some point and said: "This is the way we're doing this. Period. If you don't like it enact a vote of no-confidence and let someone else do this shit-show."
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Well, the previous one also didn't have a backbone and gave the same lot the referendum, so they have tradition there.
This is fun too. The description of the article tell us: "How will Great Britain negotiate all those international treaties before Brexit? That question was left unanswered for a long time. Now we got the answer; 'Not at all'.
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https://amp.ft.com/content/c4a0e4c0-...d-41ca06376bf2
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Britain to world: please pretend we are not leaving EU
fucked, so fucked.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
... during a transition period. Not forever.
Let's say that's true; how do you think to have all those new deals in place on the first of January 2021? Do you still believe anyone would seriously negotiate with you until they know for sure that you are not in some sort of customs arrangement with the EU in the end?
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We don't need new deals all at once. We will muddle through and life goes on. Over time new deals will be negotiated.
I see. So global Britain having free trade with the entire world has also been put on ice? This Brexit is really going to be a brilliant affair isn't it? You must be so satisfied with your vote.
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Excellent overview of an important problem:
https://tradebetablog.wordpress.com/...ering-eu-ftas/
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Bojo held yet another speech today. He managed to wrap up some offensive (& unfunny) jokes in a whole lot of nothing. Every time I see him I wonder what Brits have done wrong to get burdened with him in the government.
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Every country gets the government it deserves.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Because the FTI's investigation is not credible. There isn't just a discrepancy between the views of the representative bodies and the people who responded to this survey but also between these respondents and respondents to extensive and thorough surveys conducted by those same representative groups. This is like a Fox news poll showing Trump to be the most popular president ever. The most charitable interpretation is that businesses expect a soft Brexit with continued FoM and continued supremacy of EU courts on trade- and rights-related matters.The report author, FTI’s John Maloney, rightly ponders why the collective views of individual businesses are seemingly so at odds with the public interventions made by their representative bodies on their behalf.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
The Dutch tax office is hiring 750 extra customs workers.
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http://www.fticonsulting.com/~/media...exit.pdf?la=en
https://www.ft.com/content/e6fdd2a8-...6-b9ccc4c4dbbb‘The results hint at a misreading of the political reality. Certainty remains in short supply, with little prospect of companies getting comfort on the future trade agreement any time soon. The British Government has clearly stated that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, and the EU has clearly stated it will not let the UK cherry pick a trade deal. There will be some winners and some losers, assuming we even come to a deal. This could hit some sectors quite hard.’
Unsurprisingly, a survey of business leaders in several large European countries finds that not everyone is concerned about the UK leaving the EU. We had no idea other countries would be so optimistic about gaining an advantage over the UK.European businesses still believe the UK may end up with a “soft Brexit” with little change to existing arrangements, even as UK ministers remain divided over how closely Britain should align itself with EU rules.
A survey of more than 2,500 senior executives in the UK, France, Germany and Spain found that a majority of companies believe that Britain’s future relationship with the EU will maintain principles such as the free movement of people and oversight by the European Court of Justice.
Of those questioned, 58 per cent also believe that the City of London will keep its prized “passporting” rights, which enable banks to offer financial services across the EU, after Brexit, despite this having been ruled out by Brussels, according to FTI consulting, the group that conducted the survey.
[...]
FTI said the findings “hint at a misreading of the political reality”.
“Certainty remains in short supply” in the Brexit negotiations, “with little prospect of companies getting comfort on the future trade agreement any time soon”, said Hans Hack, a member of FTI’s Brexit task force.
[...]
Mrs May said this month that Britain was “categorically” leaving the EU’s customs union, something that Brussels has warned will inevitably complicate cross-border trade.
[...]
The executives surveyed by FTI warned that businesses will soon have to make “irreversible” changes to their operations to prepare for the UK’s departure from the EU. Of companies surveyed, 53 per cent said they would make these changes by next month, and almost three-quarters will have done so by June.
UK businesses emerged as being the most concerned about the potential impact of Brexit, with 74 per cent expressing concerns, compared with an average of 61 per cent for German, French and Spanish companies.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Meanwhile in today's most shocking news ever, it appears that the leader of the nation that has the biggest trade surplus with the UK actually does want a bespoke trade deal with what will be the EU's number one goods export market.
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Get me my smelling salts, who could ever have foreseen such an eventuality?
Merkel sagte: "Ich bin neugierig, wie sich Großbritannien die Partnerschaft vorstellt. Und wir haben natürlich auch Interessen." Sie jedenfalls wolle eine enge Partnerschaft erhalten. Allerdings sei auch klar, dass es einen Unterschied zur EU-Mitgliedschaft Großbritanniens geben werde. Notwendig sei eine "faire Balance",
So Randy, what she really said is that Brexit is going to hurt.
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I don't speak German. But according to Google Translate that you've quoted is: I am curious how the UK presents the partnership. And of course we also have interests. "She wanted to have a close partnership. However, it is also clear that there will be a difference to the EU membership of the UK. Necessary is a "fair balance"
Maybe its lost in translation but I don't see hurt there. I don't see anything objectionable there.
It's actually a rather damning statement of your policies up-to-date. The first sentence is translated as: "I'm curious what the UK thinks the partnership should look like."
Which actually means: "Godfuckingdamnit, will you morons finally make up your mind and tell us something realistic!"
I mean, it's pretty telling that after a fucking year we still don't know what it is exactly what you want. You know which are the red lines. Up till now you still don't seem to understand that those actually exist.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
The message is in the part where she says there will be a difference. That's another way of saying; no cherry picking. Which again means reduced access compared to the present situation. How far reduced is to be decided; and given that every trade deal with two parties is unique, it doesn't hurt to say that if it means you can negotiate with the UK rather than have the crazies take over in Whitehall.
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No shit Sherlock that there'll be a difference to now. That's what we voted for.
Only a Remainiac as utterly obsessive as you could translate "difference" to "hurts".
If "difference" means "reduced and more costly access" for goods and services, then, yes, that implies hurt. You'll note that the business leaders in the survey you referred to earlier believe in a post-Brexit scenario that isn't what was voted for.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
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