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  1. #931
    Oh man, yeah, these "authoritarians", such a novel concept both in the US and in Europe!
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  2. #932
    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuk2 View Post
    Scotland gives a warm welcome ...
    It's a good thing she wasn't in Germany, Merkel would have ordered her prosecuted.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    It's a good thing she wasn't in Germany, Merkel would have ordered her prosecuted.
    So tell me, are you going through a particularly bad breakup or are you always an asshole?
    Congratulations America

  4. #934
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/wo...democracy.html

    Seems spot on, in both the US and UK.
    That seems a very limited definition of authoritarian either that or just a wholesale redefining of a word that fits their political views.

  5. #935
    Research on authoritarian personalities is more than half a century old.
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  6. #936
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Research on authoritarian personalities is more than half a century old.
    They are talking about persevering the status queue and anti-immigration issues. The way I view authoritarians in government is about command and control:

    Minimum Wage laws
    Strict Business Regulation (Frank-Dodd)
    Banning of political speech (Campaign Finance Reform)
    Compulsory Education (see blue states that make parents jump through hoops for home schooling)
    Forced confiscation of money for non-essential government programs

    These are all example of authoritarian acts that I wage the author has NO problem with.

  7. #937
    War is peace.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  8. #938
    The authoritarian personality is separate from a person's political beliefs. Otherwise, it would be a circular argument.
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  9. #939
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The authoritarian personality is separate from a person's political beliefs. Otherwise, it would be a circular argument.
    Actually no it isn't. You can be authoritarian and be in either party. IE Republicans who want to ban sodomy are of the same ilk as those who want to ban political speech. They think the state knows better than the common person on how to run their life.

    It goes beyond politics of course. You'll also see rules obsessive people often in neighborhood associations measuring the height of other people's grass and the type of playground in a backyard.

  10. #940
    You missed my point. You can't use an authoritarian personality to predict political beliefs if you define that personality in terms of those political beliefs. It would be true by definition (akin to saying scoring more goals than the other team is a cause of victory). The point of this research is to show that genetic personality traits, ones relating to how one views the world and one's position within it, lead people to support certain kinds of politicians under certain conditions. An authoritarian personality is one that prizes order over creativity, stability over justice, etc.
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  11. #941
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    So tell me, are you going through a particularly bad breakup or are you always an asshole?
    I think what Merkel chose to do was an injustice and a betrayal. Odd that you should be linking behavior your find unpleasant to either personal problems or a deficient personality though. Which of those two options explains the last fifteen years of your interaction with. . . well almost everyone on here outside the EMU? Does your partner really make you that miserable, Hazir?
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  12. #942
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/wo...democracy.html

    Seems spot on, in both the US and UK.
    Yes there has been a shocking amount of authoritarians in the UK whining about why the government didn't "ban" the Leave side from making the 350mn claim? Without a bit to say about far more egrious lies on the government's side like the "punishment budget" or £4300 figures.

    I'm shocked and horrified that in the 21st century people think the government censoring political speech is a good idea, but apparently anything is acceptable nowadays so long as it prevents the government being defeated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I think what Merkel chose to do was an injustice and a betrayal. Odd that you should be linking behavior your find unpleasant to either personal problems or a deficient personality though. Which of those two options explains the last fifteen years of your interaction with. . . well almost everyone on here outside the EMU? Does your partner really make you that miserable, Hazir?
    Twit and twat. Between RandBlade and you who is who?

    FYI my partner and I have fun following both this and Game of Thrones.
    Congratulations America

  14. #944
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Twit and twat. Between RandBlade and you who is who?

    FYI my partner and I have fun following both this and Game of Thrones.
    :shrugs: Not just Rand and me. You treat everyone across the pond, along with Rand, EJ, and even Steely, the exact way I'm responding to Merkel's decision any time the topic goes against what you agree with. Most of the posters here make those sarcastic jabs from time to time, even Minx (not Wiggin though).

    But you've declared that such behavior can only arise from venting as coping for unrelated stress or from a personality disorder. If you aren't miserable with your boyfriend, by your own framework that means you're just a raging asshole.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  15. #945
    You guys should totally kiss
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    You guys should totally kiss
    I doubt it
    Congratulations America

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    :shrugs: Not just Rand and me. You treat everyone across the pond, along with Rand, EJ, and even Steely, the exact way I'm responding to Merkel's decision any time the topic goes against what you agree with. Most of the posters here make those sarcastic jabs from time to time, even Minx (not Wiggin though).

    But you've declared that such behavior can only arise from venting as coping for unrelated stress or from a personality disorder. If you aren't miserable with your boyfriend, by your own framework that means you're just a raging asshole.
    What? WTF are you talking about?

  18. #948
    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    Oh man, yeah, these "authoritarians", such a novel concept both in the US and in Europe!
    Where have you been hiding, my love?

  19. #949
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-b..._10619944.html

    True or not, will this prove to be important in the upcoming election?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-b..._10619944.html

    True or not, will this prove to be important in the upcoming election?
    I doubt it; the kind of people who would vote for Trump would almost automatically assume this is an attempt to bring him down. The kind of people who take it serious would never even consider voting for Trump.

    I find the author a bit disingenious by the way; the main media are merely reporting in the Cosby case. The reporting in a Trump case could - regardless of veracity of the claim - potentially have political effects. They have to consider that.
    Congratulations America

  21. #951
    I think the Trump University lawsuit is more damning, especially in terms of the amount of evidence present. And yet it's had no effect.
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  22. #952
    Can anyone explain to me, in a reasonably objective and charitable way and not too simplistic way, why some of Bernie's supporters may seriously be considering voting for a third candidate in the belief that Clinton would be worse than Trump?

    Like, what do they seriously believe Clinton would do that would be worse than what Trump may do?

    I'm completely baffled. I can understand how the left may dislike Clinton but to think that a Clinton presidency would be worse than driving the entire political system of the US closer to the brown end of the spectrum? I dunno. I don't understand it.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  23. #953
    Politics isn't always transitive. You always get idiots, and you get people who get so angry during primaries that they decide to vote for the other party rather than the person who defeated their preferred candidate. Last I saw, it was only 20% of Bernie supporters, and those numbers will come down as campaigning will get under way. I believe about 50% of Clinton supporters said they wouldn't vote for Obama in 2008, and yet a vast majority did.
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  24. #954
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Can anyone explain to me, in a reasonably objective and charitable way and not too simplistic way, why some of Bernie's supporters may seriously be considering voting for a third candidate in the belief that Clinton would be worse than Trump?

    Like, what do they seriously believe Clinton would do that would be worse than what Trump may do?

    I'm completely baffled. I can understand how the left may dislike Clinton but to think that a Clinton presidency would be worse than driving the entire political system of the US closer to the brown end of the spectrum? I dunno. I don't understand it.
    Similar but in reverse to how mainstream Republicans may seriously be considering voting for a third candidate in the belief that Trump would be worse than Clinton (despite hating Clinton for decades).

    Moonbat loons (like Bernie and Trump) are not on the same field as mainstream politicians. Their supports similarly are not the most well grounded either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  25. #955
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Can anyone explain to me, in a reasonably objective and charitable way and not too simplistic way, why some of Bernie's supporters may seriously be considering voting for a third candidate in the belief that Clinton would be worse than Trump?

    Like, what do they seriously believe Clinton would do that would be worse than what Trump may do?

    I'm completely baffled. I can understand how the left may dislike Clinton but to think that a Clinton presidency would be worse than driving the entire political system of the US closer to the brown end of the spectrum? I dunno. I don't understand it.
    The idea would be to send a message to the 'establishment' that they don't want 'third way' DINOs considered in the future.

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    Trump.
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  27. #957
    Told ya... Cruz was right. "If Trump is the nominee, Clinton will win."

    This guy is a clown, best thing that can happen is that he gets obliterated and Republican voters learn how to vote properly. My protest vote is going for Johnson. Bring on Rand Paul as the anti-Trump in 2020.

  28. #958
    Cruz wouldn't win. Too unlikable. Rubio probably would though.
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  29. #959
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Cruz wouldn't win. Too unlikable. Rubio probably would though.
    I would give Cruz one in three odds, still likely to lose but could have done it. I'm giving Trump one in a hundred odds. Basically Clinton has to do something completely retarded in the debates or videotape of her being a grade A bitch to someone. Its hers to lose at this point.

  30. #960
    Pretty sure there are millions of people in this country who could chosen to run against Clinton today and have a higher chance of winning than Trump. That's a rather low threshold. But Cruz is liked by no one and is too extreme ideologically to win the presidency. In fact, if I recall correctly, Trump was polling better against Clinton than was Cruz.
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