Waiting for the results

[RandBlade]

I agree, I also hope that our leaders stop appeasing the Brits since that would certainly mean the end of the EU.

You say that as if it'd automatically be a bad thing ...

The EU should be a good thing, but as many have said here recently "a club that try's to prevent you from leaving is not a club I want to be a member of". The EU should be confident enough in its own abilities to both offer Britain a responsible and positive Brexit alternative AND ensure that fellow European nations choose to stay in the EU not out of fear, but because it's the right thing to do.

The EU screwed up a few months ago failing to give Britain a renegotiation worth its salt when Cameron gave it the chance to do so. If the EU's leaders wake up this morning wondering "how do we prevent contagion" rather than calmly and positively wondering how to best proceed then it is clear the EU is failing to see the woods for the trees.

[Loki]

Didn't you claim Britain got what it wanted from those negotiations at the time?

[RandBlade]

No I said that Britain should get what it wants. Disappointing that Hazir was right and I was wrong about the EU's inflexibility. Now the EU faces a wake up call, if it continues to be inflexible and throw away the opportunity for reform then it deserves the fate of the USSR, but I hope the EU can wake up and build a positive future even without us.

[Loki]

Pretty sure you said Cameron succeeded at the negotiations...

[RandBlade]

Pretty sure you said Cameron succeeded at the negotiations...

I don't remember saying that and certainly the cold hard light of day does not show that.

[Loki]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-and-sinn-fei/

And it starts.

[Steely Glint]

Cameron's resigned. Having risked the future of the country in order to appease the muppets on his back bench and then subsequently phoned in the Remain campaign, that's a well deserved fate. History will not look upon him favourably.

[Hazir]

Cameron's resigned. Having risked the future of the country in order to appease the muppets on his back bench and then subsequently phoned in the the Remain campaign, that's a well deserved fate. History will not look upon him favourably.

I think the leader of Labour has something to explain too.

[Steely Glint]

Labour has a leader?

[RandBlade]

Labour has a leader?

It says a lot though about the Labour Party that they were perfectly content with Jihadi Jez being their leader. Perfectly happy for him to regret the death of Osama Bin Laden; to be friends with terrorist groups; for him to make a spectacle out of a veterans memorial event; to be basically a communist and appoint Marxists to lead the party; for him to endorse/tolerate anti-Americanism and antisemitism; for him being in favour of unilateral nuclear disarmament. Perfectly happy for him to be the first opposition leader to lose council seats in a non-General Election year in three decades.

But being only moderately in favour of Remaining when the nation and Labour's traditional working class support is against it? That is a bridge too far.

How out of touch is Labour. That this of all issues triggers a motion of no confidence. On this one and only issue Corbyn's rather lukewarm ambivalence to the EU was far more in touch with the public mood than the rest of his party and most of the Commons.

Cameron has responded to losing the vote by resigning as he wasn't in tune with the country. Labour has responded to losing the vote by trying to replace their leader with someone even more out of tune on this one and only issue. Do they have a death wish?

[Steely Glint]

Speaking of, two Labour MP's have filed a motion of no-confidence against what's-his-name. The supply teacher.

[Hazir]

That would explain the endless vacations.

France seems to consider sending the British border police back home from Calais.

[Hazir]

By the way; how does it feel?

I understand people are petitioning the parliament to hold a second referendum?

[Echovirus]

I understand people are petitioning the parliament to hold a second referendum?

Just found it. And it got enough signatures to require a response. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

[Timbuk2]

Angry people feeling like they need to do something. It's lashing out.

Demanding a second referendum just because the first didn't go your way is nonsense.

[Loki]

What do you think this is, Ireland?

[Loki]

Yeah, who knew that people would care more about major economic and social issues than they do about empty rhetoric about a dead guy.

[RandBlade]

Yes for major economic and social reasons the country has voted to Leave, Labour's traditional support has voted Leave. Yet the MPs want to replace an ambivalent Remainer with an ardent Remainer?

Yeah that's logical.

[Loki]

And 2/3 of Republican voters think Obama is a Muslim. Doesn't mean the GOP should choose a nutjob as its leader.

[RandBlade]

And 2/3 of Republican voters think Obama is a Muslim. Doesn't mean the GOP should choose a nutjob as its leader.

Depends if they want to win the election doesn't it?

Brexit isn't a mass delusion or factually incorrect, it is a fact in the making. Like it or not it is happening, the nation has voted for it. Any attempts to turn back the clock on that are going to be met with punishment by the voters (I think the vast majority of voters want this over one way or another and will respect this decision - only a tiny proportion of die hards will not).

The rational thing for a party to do is to get behind the result of the election and try and shape what post-Brexit Britain looks like. Instead Labour seems to be going into hyperdrive stick your head in the sand mode. Oh well, leaves the field clear for the rest of us to shape the future of the nation in this critical moment.

[Aimless]

Sooner or later those traditional idiots will die and there's a new generation coming

[Nessus]

SIEG HEIL, you fuckers

[Loki]

It seems to me the rational move for Labour is to vehemently oppose anything the Tories do and then blast the Tories in the next election for any problems that arise from this. Plus if Labour goes anti-EU, it will lose its urban vote to the Lib Dems.

[RandBlade]

Labour doesn't need to go anti-EU even the Lib Dems have said they regrettably respect the result of the vote. That's all Labour needs to do and then move on, instead they're emphasising how out of touch they are and doubling down on it. Not sure I see the logic in that move.

[RandBlade]

"Listen to and respect the vote"
"Come together and heal the divisions"
"Respect the decision of the British people"
"Re-unite the country"
"Secure the best deal for the British people"

The first are all platitudes mouthed by everyone who wins or loses an election normally. It is the lines being used by the Lib Dems and Remain Tories and everyone else [except SNP who are on a war footing already for IndyRef2]. It should be the order of the day for everyone to show respect for the democratic exercise we had yesterday and try and maintain support from both sides of yesterday's division.

I despise Corbyn and all he stands for yet it seems the Blairites are seeking the worst possible moment to strike and make him out to be the sane one. What an incredulous situation.

[Steely Glint]

Twitter Link

[Nessus]

[Hazir]

Well, loads of young people weren't so happy with the result. They could have known it would change their lives. They still didn't get out to vote.

[Steely Glint]

[Hazir]

That is quite a graph.