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  1. #1
    I'm not sure Trump is in any position to accused anyone of whining. Not that that will stop him.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  2. #2
    Which is why I mentioned how he is still running against two other people, not a common occurrence this late in the process. march voter turnout was comparable to 2008.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  3. #3
    The question in my mind about Trump is how calculating he actually is. Is he, as it appears at first glance, just saying the first thing that comes into his head and, by sheer co-incidence, managing to tap into an undercurrent of racial resentment existing within the GOP-base (and which the GOP has spent the last several decades tacitly encouraging), or is this a conscious, deliberate strategy on his part? Because that effects the extent to which he's going to be able to do a pivot to the center during the general.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    The question in my mind about Trump is how calculating he actually is. Is he, as it appears at first glance, just saying the first thing that comes into his head and, by sheer co-incidence, managing to tap into an undercurrent of racial resentment existing within the GOP-base (and which the GOP has spent the last several decades tacitly encouraging), or is this a conscious, deliberate strategy on his part? Because that effects the extent to which he's going to be able to do a pivot to the center during the general.
    A bit of both.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  5. #5
    He's been saying most of this stuff since the '80s.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    He's been saying most of this stuff since the '80s.
    Like his abortion views?

  7. #7
    He's not really speaking about his abortion views. But things like being cheating in trade, obsession with China, glorifying dictators are all from the '80s. Also, 60% of Trump supporters are pro-choice.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    He's not really speaking about his abortion views. But things like being cheating in trade, obsession with China, glorifying dictators are all from the '80s. Also, 60% of Trump supporters are pro-choice.
    I'm bring it up as an example of his obvious pandering. The guy clearly isn't a conservative when it comes to being pro-life and is lying his ass off to get elected.

  9. #9
    Trump won every county, and every congressional district in PA. That's astonishing. There were reports that several thousand people changed their voter registration, so they could vote in the 'other' primary. Pretty sure there were more Democrats voting for Trump than Republicans voting for Clinton....

    Yes, the GOP is fractured and its future looks bleak. But it's been going that way since Bush/Cheney, and McCain picking Sarah Palin as his running mate didn't help.

  10. #10
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...isemitic-abuse

    In case anyone wasn't aware that Trump has the American anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denying white supremacist market cornered.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    ...

    In case anyone wasn't aware that Trump has the American anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denying white supremacist market cornered.
    As if they haven't been voting for the Republican platform for years, anyway? The main difference now is that Trump has made them feel more comfortable saying their shit out loud, and not hiding their hate speech because it's "politically incorrect".

  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...isemitic-abuse

    In case anyone wasn't aware that Trump has the American anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denying white supremacist market cornered.

    And as writer she got taken woodshed on CNN, Fox news etc. The piece itself was kind of a hatchet job for no reason..

  13. #13
    Also: Lewk, I don't see your reply for why Cruz is a better choice than Trump. What gives?

  14. #14
    It's a factual, well-sourced piece. Sure, it's not about the politics, but it was written in GQ...
    Hope is the denial of reality

  15. #15
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  16. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    "This is the core of Mann and Ornstein's critique, too. They were not simply arguing that the Republican Party has become more conservative, though it clearly has. They were arguing that it had become tactically extreme in ways that were grinding the normal workings of government to a halt. "Rank-and-file GOP voters endorse the strategy that the party’s elites have adopted," they wrote, "eschewing compromise to solve problems and insisting on principle, even if it leads to gridlock.""

    This is where the rubber meets the road. The House is under NO obligation to continue to pass budgets or continuing resolutions in order to keep the government afloat. If you come to Washington saying you will CUT government spending and then continue to allow government spending at previous levels than you are complicit with the liberals who keep shoving more and more government down the people's throats. The House could absolutely prevent government spending but they won't because their chicken shits afraid that the consequences of standing firm will outweigh the benefits of doing so.

    Now to be fair, the media will of course lampoon the Republicans for 'shutting down the government' and there will be political costs associated with it but the Trump candidacy has made it clear the Republican base is absolutely furious with the establishment for not grinding the government to a stand still for weeks and even months to do what they promised. It would be one thing if they were honest in their campaigns "We'll try to stop government spending but not if it means government shutdown because we're scared of that." It is one of the reasons why Ted Cruz is so celebrated among the conservative base and so hated by the establishment.

  17. #17
    He's right, though. The Republican Party has moved so far to the right than even Saint Reagan wouldn't recognize it.

  18. #18
    Clinton will never get my vote. So I guess Trump it is then....stupid ass republicans can eat shit and swallow my vote for Trump and choke.
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  19. #19
    OG, is there any quick way to check if there's a concerted campaign against that reporter (Julia Ioffe) by some reddit group or Stormfront?
    Hope is the denial of reality

  20. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    OG, is there any quick way to check if there's a concerted campaign against that reporter (Julia Ioffe) by some reddit group or Stormfront?
    If the group is private not really. I haven't seen anything come across the front page of reddit or seen /r/shitredditsays bitch about any pitchforking

    search results for the article linked above: https://www.reddit.com/submit?url=ht...isemitic-abuse
    The only result for the original article: https://www.reddit.com/r/DumpTrump/c..._donald_trump/
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  21. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    If the group is private not really. I haven't seen anything come across the front page of reddit or seen /r/shitredditsays bitch about any pitchforking

    search results for the article linked above: https://www.reddit.com/submit?url=ht...isemitic-abuse
    The only result for the original article: https://www.reddit.com/r/DumpTrump/c..._donald_trump/
    Thanks for checking. I just find it hard to believe that dozens of Holocaust-denying white supremacists would instantly go after her after one Trump piece. But who knows.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  22. #22
    I swear I'm living in bizzaro world.


    “I love it. He sent out a tweet. Mike. Iron Mike,” Trump said. “You know, all the tough guys endorse me. I like that, OK?”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-g...#ixzz47Ht7I8IL
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    I mean really? Trump is bragging about a rapist and ear biter endorsing him? This is a serious candidate for the Republican party nomination? /boggle

  23. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I swear I'm living in bizzaro world.

    “I love it. He sent out a tweet. Mike. Iron Mike,” Trump said. “You know, all the tough guys endorse me. I like that, OK?”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-g...#ixzz47Ht7I8IL
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    I mean really? Trump is bragging about a rapist and ear biter endorsing him? This is a serious candidate for the Republican party nomination? /boggle
    You should check out the discussion under that tweet. It clearly demonstrates why he's a serious candidate for the Republican party.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  24. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    OG, is there any quick way to check if there's a concerted campaign against that reporter (Julia Ioffe) by some reddit group or Stormfront?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    If the group is private not really. I haven't seen anything come across the front page of reddit or seen /r/shitredditsays bitch about any pitchforking

    search results for the article linked above: https://www.reddit.com/submit?url=ht...isemitic-abuse
    The only result for the original article: https://www.reddit.com/r/DumpTrump/c..._donald_trump/
    Considering the large number of creative nasty phone-calls it's likely there's a semi-organised effort where her contact info etc has been provided for asshats to use as they wish. Publicly, Stormfront is feigning ignorance and only encouraging its followers to share their views on her "vicious attacks" on Empress Melania. People are just so messed up.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  25. #25
    I don't think it's reasonable to count-out a contested convention yet. Chances are narrowing, but the truth is the convention is really oriented around a majority of delegates voting for a candidate. Trump does not have a majority of delegates, and we can't be certain he will (or even have delegate defections) until we get there.

    Also I read the GQ profile of Melania Trump last night and thought it was pretty flattering, all things considered.

    It's like Trump has his own version of left-wing union trolls on the Internet, except they are right wing morons and don't get paid.

  26. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    I don't think it's reasonable to count-out a contested convention yet. Chances are narrowing, but the truth is the convention is really oriented around a majority of delegates voting for a candidate. Trump does not have a majority of delegates, and we can't be certain he will (or even have delegate defections) until we get there.

    Also I read the GQ profile of Melania Trump last night and thought it was pretty flattering, all things considered.

    It's like Trump has his own version of left-wing union trolls on the Internet, except they are right wing morons and don't get paid.
    Chances have REALLY narrowed. The path to stopping Trump from getting the majority looks really grim.

  27. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Chances have REALLY narrowed. The path to stopping Trump from getting the majority looks really grim.
    Too little too late even if he only gets 1150 delegates (which is surely his floor now) that realistically is enough.
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  28. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Too little too late even if he only gets 1150 delegates (which is surely his floor now) that realistically is enough.
    If only he gets 1150 it can be a contested convention. The person with the most delegates doesn't win necessarily, the person who reaches the 50.00001% does. That being said the odds of him not hitting 1237 are not pretty damned low.

  29. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    I don't think it's reasonable to count-out a contested convention yet. Chances are narrowing, but the truth is the convention is really oriented around a majority of delegates voting for a candidate. Trump does not have a majority of delegates, and we can't be certain he will (or even have delegate defections) until we get there.
    Even if there is a contested nomination I have little doubt Trump will win it. Lots of people will wish it could be otherwise, including party elites and leadership, but the consequences of dumping the candidate with a large plurality lead in today's world will be dire, and not just for the Presidential race. It'll murder GOtV efforts and alienate lots of people who would otherwise be voting for more Republican candidates at the polls. It could actually turn safe seats into something potentially up for grabs. And let's not forget that unless there is a realization of the incredibly unlikely possibility of a dark horse candidate taking the nomination, the only plausible alternative is Ted Cruz, who many in the party-leadership also can't stand and think will be a terrible choice as well. The nomination is going to go to Trump unless he loses the remaining races by much higher margins than the polls are showing.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  30. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Even if there is a contested nomination I have little doubt Trump will win it. Lots of people will wish it could be otherwise, including party elites and leadership, but the consequences of dumping the candidate with a large plurality lead in today's world will be dire, and not just for the Presidential race. It'll murder GOtV efforts and alienate lots of people who would otherwise be voting for more Republican candidates at the polls. It could actually turn safe seats into something potentially up for grabs. And let's not forget that unless there is a realization of the incredibly unlikely possibility of a dark horse candidate taking the nomination, the only plausible alternative is Ted Cruz, who many in the party-leadership also can't stand and think will be a terrible choice as well. The nomination is going to go to Trump unless he loses the remaining races by much higher margins than the polls are showing.
    Nah a contested convention wouldn't be a Trump auto win. Its possible but people who are selected as delegates are often party insiders.

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