Probs will avoid saying much of anything to avoid culture clash.
Probs will avoid saying much of anything to avoid culture clash.
His actions will speak loud enough; if there is an appeal then we know this guy and his policy advisors deserve to be thrown out on the dungheap of history at the next elections.Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
Putting form over substance to the extent that it counters your proclaimed policy goals would be too ridiculous for words. There would be no defending it. Especially not with a president who pushed through the biggest - and much more controversial - change in Healthcare Insurance legislation by bypassing normal Congressional procedure.
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Note the bypass wasn't as outside congressional normalcy as conservatives would like voters to believe. Propaganda....
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Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
I know, but it was substance over form. And I think people would have every right to be mad as hell if for this non-controversial change he would insist on form over substance.
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Was just reading a book that had a poll showing that gay marriage was the 14th out of 14 priorities for people in the 2004 election (abortion was 13th).
Hope is the denial of reality
Gay marriage isn't really what don't ask don't tell is about.
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The point is that a vast majority of Americans don't give a damn about gays, one way or the other. They might not support gay rights, but it's not something that they will base their vote on.
Hope is the denial of reality
I know, and Obama is just another fag-hating nigger.
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Congratulations America
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I was going to say apathetic...and politically calculating (real hope and changy!)...but I wasn't gonna got that far.
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Go fucking kill yourself please.
I mean was that really necessary?
Wow...he really wants to neutralize this politically, doesn't he?
How could he not want to pawn this off any way possible.....either as a lawyer, Constitutional scholar, "community organizer", Democrat (and leader of the party), Senator, or President? They are all at conflicting odds, with different power groups and constituents, and competing opinions of where the power should lie. Congress won't act, when they should/could. Why aren't they being criticized for pawning off the hard decisions to the supreme court or the President's cabinet?Wow...he really wants to neutralize this politically, doesn't he?
They ARE. No one gets blamed or held responsible more than Congress. It is a truism in US electioneering that you don't run for Congress, you run against it.
edit: Oh wait, sorry. You were just holding another of those three-sided conversations with yourself.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Because the President could have:
A) Not appealed
B) Not pursued DADT cases while this was sorted.
He's the commander in chief. He has almost full discretion on this issue.
So you want the DoJ to act as the President dictates? Shouldn't they have some autonomy? Sure, I suppose Obama could just tell them what to do, but wouldn't that just be more fodder for conservatives yelping about too much "intervention"?
Really, he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. Congress should be getting the heat, IMO. DADT was a congressional mandate (right?)
Eh? The Attorney General does what the president tells him to do...This is a public policy issue. Why exactly should an unelected justice department be deciding what it's in the public's good? Congress can't get this repealed now because of disagreements between the two parties. Obama doesn't really have that excuse.
Hope is the denial of reality
That's my point---most people would want this to be decided by an elected congress. Not an official appointed by the executive branch. If our senators can't get their act together because their politicking is too polarizing, it's hardly the President's fault.
Or an elected President...the point is that Republicans ran on a platform of opposing this, so they can hardly be faulted for opposing it now. Obama ran on a platform of repealing this policy.
Hope is the denial of reality
And Republicans ran on a platform of Love for our Holy Constitution, with Equal Rights for All, protected by law. Congress could repeal DADT in a heartbeat, if they had any guts.
The DoJ is subordinate to the president. So is the military. That's why these issues reflect on the President.
Both parties support policies that aren't fully consistent with the constitution. It's nothing new. What is new is having a president who has the ability to change a promised policy but refuses to do so.
Hope is the denial of reality
Bullcrap, most people want this retracted and don't give a flying shit for how that is done.
Obama is the worst kind of leader you can have, the kind of leader that's affraid of leading. I think you Americans better start thinking about which Republican you want to take over from this douchebag. Or maybe you'll get lucky and you'll have a Democrat who grows a pair and chucks Uncle Tom out so you'll get an actual choice again.
Congratulations America
I think you underestimate the power of our social conservatives. They always say they're "representing their constituents".
I don't think he's afraid of leading. I think it's our congress that just can't move, because they're too divided and worried about being re-elected. I think it's a symptom of our political system when it doesn't work very well. The result is stagnation and paralysis. Followed by anger from the populace, that nothing seems to get done either way. We've gone from the senate being the cooling tea saucer, to being ice cold.Obama is the worst kind of leader you can have, the kind of leader that's affraid of leading. I think you Americans better start thinking about which Republican you want to take over from this douchebag.
Actually I suspect you'll find most American people don't give a flying shit whether this is retracted or not, nor how it's done if it is done. I think this is probably ranked somewhere between zero and nowhere on most American's list of priorities.
I highly doubt its changed much in these short years.Was just reading a book that had a poll showing that gay marriage was the 14th out of 14 priorities for people in the 2004 election (abortion was 13th).
Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 10-19-2010 at 02:59 AM.
Yes, but Don't Ask Dont Tell is a strictly military policy. It's not gay marriage, it's part of the military code of conduct that the President has full discretion over (unless told otherwise by a court, which is what happened).
Generals have already said this is no big deal. Gays have always been in our military, serving well and proudly. We don't need a "STUDY" to tell us what's the right thing to do. It's not about who showers with whom, but it may be about who's homophobic. Seems to me we have more homophobic senators or voters, than homophobic military personnel.
My opinions on this matter might sound extreme to some. But I think our policies are backward. Instead of keeping homosexuals from serving military duty, we might do better by keeping homophobes and bigots from serving military duty.
If it is under the President's power, and Bama did nix it right now, this way, what exactly would stop Palin from having all openly gay soldiers executed/thrown out/painted pink come January 2013?
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The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
The only way would be for congress to repeal DADT, and make it law. Then it wouldn't matter much if (yikes) Palin became President.
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